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Old 03-18-2008, 08:06 PM   #1
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What the #$#@$% is this technique called?

Mise en scene: uke and nage are facing the same direction (how they got there is left as an exercise to the student). Both have their inner foot forward. Uke's inner arm is (more or less) extended across nage's inner arm, which is (more or less) extended forward; nage's other arm is on top of uke's arm near the wrist, so nage's two arms act like a lever. Nage extends forward and down, throwing uke, who rolls.

Can anyone tell me what this is called?

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Old 03-18-2008, 08:20 PM   #2
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Re: What the #$#@$% is this technique called?

Hi Mary,

That sounds like tenbin nage, otherwise also known as hiji nage and mae otoshi. You can find other names by which this technique is known in the AikiWiki:

http://www.aikiweb.com/wiki/Techniqueschart

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Old 03-18-2008, 09:34 PM   #3
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Re: What the #$#@$% is this technique called?

Shodokan/Tomiki it is Mae Otoshi....for the descriptive, it is known as " Wind Over The Mountain''.

It is an application on a failed or compromised Shihonage.

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Old 03-19-2008, 12:37 AM   #4
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Re: What the #$#@$% is this technique called?

In yoseikan its called tenbin nage.
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Old 03-19-2008, 01:27 AM   #5
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Re: What the #$#@$% is this technique called?

In Seidokan we would probably call it zenpo nage.

Just to add more confusion

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Old 03-19-2008, 02:28 AM   #6
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Re: What the #$#@$% is this technique called?

In both Nishio Sensei's video and Yamada Sensei's book it is called udekime-nage

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Old 03-19-2008, 03:17 AM   #7
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Re: What the #$#@$% is this technique called?

It looks like an Aikikai Ude Kime Nage or a Yoseikan Tenbin Nage. But there's a difference in the tenbin arm position...
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Old 03-19-2008, 04:21 AM   #8
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My old school used to call it juji nage- not to be confused with juji garame

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Old 03-19-2008, 11:25 AM   #9
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Thanks, y'all -- ude kime nage it is! I may have heard the name before, I forget, but the best I could come up with last night when sensei asked me was, "That thing where you go like this and then do that." Not very good, I know.
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Old 03-19-2008, 11:29 AM   #10
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Re: What the #$#@$% is this technique called?

hijiate kokyu nage in Yoshinkan parlance.

The references to ude garame and juji nage are incorrect, at least in yoshinkan, if I read the description correctly. Uke's arms are not inter twined, correct?

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Old 03-19-2008, 12:42 PM   #11
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The references to ude garame and juji nage are incorrect, at least in yoshinkan, if I read the description correctly. Uke's arms are not inter twined, correct?
Right, but notice that tori's and uke's arms form a cross (not in Yoseikan), hence the name juji nage in some styles.
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Old 03-19-2008, 01:00 PM   #12
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Gotcha, that makes sense.

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Old 03-19-2008, 01:03 PM   #13
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Re: What the #$#@$% is this technique called?

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The references to ude garame and juji nage are incorrect, at least in yoshinkan, if I read the description correctly. Uke's arms are not inter twined, correct?

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You are correct, Sir. Also, the same in Shodokan....

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Old 03-19-2008, 03:15 PM   #14
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yeah ron the style I used to train in called this juji nage and the arms entwined version juji garame.

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Old 03-20-2008, 02:13 PM   #15
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Re: What the #$#@$% is this technique called?

I trained in one dojo where it is called SUMI OTOSHI, which I usually understand to mean a throw coming from inside UKE rather than the outside position of NAGE in HIJI NAGE. Anyone else call it this?

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Old 03-20-2008, 02:21 PM   #16
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Hi Don,

For me, sumi otoshi in Aikikai parlance targets the inside of the elbow to the outside corner. If nage's inside hand/arm is going under uke's arm while maintaining, basically, the rest of the body-to-body relationship as in sumi otoshi, I've heard this technique called soto musou (外無双). Others may (and probably will) have other terms for the technique, though.

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Old 03-20-2008, 03:58 PM   #17
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Re: What the #$#@$% is this technique called?

I'd call it ude kime-nage or ude hiji-nage. I have seen some call it kokyu nage.
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Old 03-20-2008, 04:54 PM   #18
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In both Nishio Sensei's video and Yamada Sensei's book it is called udekime-nage
Concur...Nishio short form Kime-nage...

Kime-nage is Often times an Atemi with Pin then throw executed with an "uncooperative" Uke and can be done "inside of" quite a few techniques...most of them Ai-Hanmi and can be executed with a Bokken or Jo as well.

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Old 03-20-2008, 05:06 PM   #19
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I thought this vid was a good basic version of Kime-Nage

Enjoy

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qwa4aETVjJY&feature=related

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I thought this vid was a good basic version of Kime-Nage

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=qwa4aETVjJY&feature=related

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I think this way gives uke a good direct kaeshi waza. It's a big no-no in Yoseikan.
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Old 03-20-2008, 07:14 PM   #21
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hijiate kokyu nage in Yoshinkan parlance.
Also heard that used in Iwama. Also tenbin nage in Seifukai (Japanese Yoseikan). Do we have enough names for it yet?
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Old 03-20-2008, 09:37 PM   #22
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I think this way gives uke a good direct kaeshi waza. It's a big no-no in Yoseikan.
I agree... If Nage is dumb enough to execute Kime Nage this way without Atemi and as a stand alone technique.

I think the Sensei was just showing the students what Kime Nage is and the only reason I would teach it this way is as a forward rolling exercise to warm up the class...

I more than likely would put a bokken in Nage's hands too... Just to make sure Uke executed a good forward roll so they don't get thier shins smacked.

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Old 03-21-2008, 02:26 AM   #23
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I more than likely would put a bokken in Nage's hands too... Just to make sure Uke executed a good forward roll so they don't get thier shins smacked.
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Old 03-25-2008, 04:00 PM   #24
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I think around this technique there is a lot of confusion, or maybe different student of O Sensei gave it different names. My Sensei calls it Sumi Otoshi (I think it can be seen as the Ura version of the more traditional Sumi Otoshi which is clearly Otome).
Talking to my Senpai I told him that I had seen many people calling it Ude Kime Nage, but he said that he had always heard of it as Sumi Otoshi.
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[quote=Mary Malmros;202037]Mise en scene: uke and nage are facing the same direction (how they got there is left as an exercise to the student). Both have their inner foot forward. Uke's inner arm is (more or less) extended across nage's inner arm, which is (more or less) extended forward; nage's other arm is on top of uke's arm near the wrist, so nage's two arms act like a lever. Nage extends forward and down, throwing uke, who rolls.

Can anyone tell me what this is called?
Hello,
From my interpretation of your description it seems to be Juji nage.Juji [cross] x shape] means throwing the partner by forming an x shape on the arm/ with your own arm, then projecting your partner forward.The waza is also called udekemi nage.

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