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Seeking Zanshin: Blood, Sweat, Tears & Aikikai Blog Tools Rating: Rate This Blog
Creation Date: 02-24-2005 10:53 PM
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One small gal + a dojo full of big guys = tons o' fun
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In General Dive Rolls: A Conversation (of all things) Entry Tools Rate This Entry
  #95 New 01-21-2004 04:00 PM
I know this is a bit of a departure, particularly in format...but what the heck --- I'm too busy to change it right now! Maybe in future I'll have the time to condense this into an easy-to-reference point form, but for now...

I needed some tips on dive rolls, so I asked a friend of mine who was both a gymnast and a Rhythmic Gymnastics coach...thing is, last I was able to speak to her, it was on MSN.

Jamie says:
Hey Kelly
Jamie says:
You got a second?
KellyGirl says:
hi, i do
Jamie says:
You're just the person I wanted to ask something to...
Jamie says:
(bad English)
KellyGirl says:
sure thing, what's up
Jamie says:
When you were doing gymnastics, did you guys ever do any dive rolls?
KellyGirl says:
yeah, all the time
KellyGirl says:
(i'm so curious right now)
Jamie says:
Well, we do dive rolls in Aikido,
Jamie says:
and I'm fine with regular rolls, but being such a petite/short person,
Jamie says:
I guess I don't have much confidence w/the rolls where we dive over multiple people
Jamie says:
and was wondering if you might have any pointers for me
Jamie says:
Last night I did dive rolls over two crouching people side by side for the very first time
Jamie says:
and the landing was rather...bumpy, but I made it
KellyGirl says:
well, it's been a while but
Jamie says:
Most of the guys are taller, so they can do dive rolls over up to 4 people
Jamie says:
Next time, I'm going to try three, but I'm a little doubtful...
KellyGirl says:
the trick to any tumbling is to aim for the sky (cheasy way we teach it)
KellyGirl says:
in other words, don't aim for the floor where you will land
Jamie says:
so you mean, try to get a big arc on it?
KellyGirl says:
worry about getting up in the air first
Jamie says:
okay
KellyGirl says:
yip, exactly
KellyGirl says:
then just keep your elbows slightly bent and absorb all your weight from landing on you arms and not on your neck or back
Jamie says:
this might help me try to actually make the ones where you dive roll over a standing person bent over the waist
Jamie says:
(on that one I have never managed going over them fully, just diving over their backside)
KellyGirl says:
we've done up to 12 people, and most gymnasts are short so don't be afraid. YOU CAN DO IT!!!!!!
Jamie says:
(actually, I've never even tried going over them fully --- I just assumed I wouldn't be able to make it )
Jamie says:
Thanks Kelly --- I'll definitely keep that in mind! I had no idea!
KellyGirl says:
the hardest part is the fear of landing, but if you just think about jumping instead landing comes next naturally, what comes up must come down!
Jamie says:
I think another thing that might be making things bumpy at the end is that I'm letting my arms collapse instead of keeping them both slightly bent and extended.
Jamie says:
That should help --- I'm actually proficient at regular rolls (not having to dive over people and then roll)
Jamie says:
but I guess my only fear is falling on top of the person
KellyGirl says:
to help the bumpiness, also keep the momentum going, make sure one leg is tucked under (hard to explain) so you will naturally roll up to a standing position and not try to stop the momentum cold.
KellyGirl says:
you can't hurt them by falling on them! keep that in mind.
Jamie says:
That's cool...re: the bumpiness, you're actually giving the same advice we have to keep in mind for our regular forward rolls, or "mai ukemi"
Jamie says:
I guess a lot of this does hold true universally
KellyGirl says:
it's a whole lot of physics, laws of motion etc!
Jamie says:
So do you have any tips on how the best way to leap would be (ie. off one leg, both?)
KellyGirl says:
ps- i know some tiny girls who could probably clear waaaay more people than the guys, could be you next!
Jamie says:
Hehehe --- we'll see!
KellyGirl says:
well, i guess it depends what kind. anything that is a leap is off of one foot and anything that is a jump is off of two feet
KellyGirl says:
so...
Jamie says:
oops, sorry --- wrong terminology
KellyGirl says:
leaping is more for a combination of distance and height where as a jump is mostly just height
Jamie says:
so for dive rolls, which is more effective?
KellyGirl says:
hey, no problem. that's just the way we sort everything out, it's all the same thing though
KellyGirl says:
two feet i would say, because you're landing on your hands and not your feet, so it's a different theory
KellyGirl says:
confusing
Jamie says:
Would I be correct then, in assuming that for the dive roll over the standing person, the "jump" is better, but for the dive roll over multiple crouching ppl, the "leap" would work better?
KellyGirl says:
not really, leaping is mostly for if you are landing on one foot or two feet. we only do dive rolls from standing on two feet, i haven't really tried it from one.
KellyGirl says:
but the power from both legs would be better than the momentum of running and taking off from one
Jamie says:
Hmm...so you don't recommend getting a running start on it?
Jamie says:
hehehe --- answered my question
KellyGirl says:
we do it, because it feels safer
Jamie says:
which --- with running or without?
KellyGirl says:
but it actually takes more force away from the next move if you take a running start, because you have to change the momentum (running start)
Jamie says:
ah!
KellyGirl says:
so much to know...
Jamie says:
That explains why I feel a strange momentary jolt of awkwardness transitioning from the run into the jump
KellyGirl says:
it's true. but we still do most things from running because it feels less scary.
Jamie says:
With a running start, I'm assuming you really don't have much choice but to leap off one leg, right --- otherwise it would kill the momentum to go to a jump w/both?
KellyGirl says:
um try both ways and see which one feels better
KellyGirl says:
just gotta get the rhythm
Jamie says:
okay
Jamie says:
will do --- thanks!
Jamie says:
oh, one more thing ---
KellyGirl says:
sure
Jamie says:
when you mentioned aiming to get up as high as possible, and not aiming for the ground in front of you,
Jamie says:
are you to aim up vertically (90 degrees) or at a lesser angle than that
Jamie says:
like 45 degrees?
KellyGirl says:
good question, a good guide to throwing anything works with jumping too, point you hands to where you intend to go. so you would point them to the halfway point of the roll and to the heigt you want to jump
KellyGirl says:
maybe that makes sense?
Jamie says:
that makes perfect sense --- because naturally, I wouldn't be jumping straight up for a distance roll
KellyGirl says:
there ya go
Jamie says:
Thanks again, Kelly!
KellyGirl says:
not a problem
Jamie says:
See ya at the brunch!
KellyGirl says:
good luck with the rolls!
Jamie says:
thanks!
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