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Peter Goldsbury
Registered: July 2001
Location: Hiroshima, Japan
Posts: 2,308
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Hello, Ron,
Questions, rather than comments:
Where exactly were you in the technique?
The height of your hips, as against your uke's;
The degree to which your left armpit (waki, in Japanese) is closed;
The right arm—bent or straight: which have you been taught?
Would the maai have been different if you had held uke's collar?
The possibility that uke could recover balance and do a counter (which is why I asked my original question of where you actually were, during the technique)?
Best regards,
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P A Goldsbury
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Kokusai Dojo,
Hiroshima,
Japan
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Ron Tisdale
Registered: June 2002
Location: Phila. Pa
Posts: 4,615
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Good questions! I make no claim to be doing anything particularly correct, but I'll answer as best I can. This was one throw in an hour long demo, so I don't even remember all the specifics.
I believe this was off of a front strike, and I got uke's back earlier than I expected, so my feet were backwards from the ususal iriminage. I think I brought the left foot up and then did a deep shuffle with the right for the throw. So I must have been just about to do that in the photo.
My hips are above uke's in this case (he's shorter, and bent over backwards a bit, with his knees bent quite a bit). The armpit isn't closed enough, which I can tell because the elbow is out more than I'd like. For the right arm, I've been taught to do both bent and straight depending on the situation and who is teaching. In this case, it is bent, and I'm lifting under his chin (which is why his head is tilted back, and which gave me a lot of the control). I used the side of the neck (presure point) in this case rather than grab the collar (probably as much by chance as anything else). If I had the collar, my left elbow would probably be tucked in along uke's back, and he probably would have his back bent more, and my "waki" would be closed, so yes, I think the maai would be different.
I don't *think* a counter would have worked, because my forward leg had contact all along his thigh up through his hip, and he was already bent enough that controling his head was sufficient. Most of the counters to irimi from there that I know involve uke "turning out" of the throw...either to evade, or control the right arm for a judo style throw using the arm. Although if anyone could pull off the counter there, it would be this uke (shodan in judo, shodan in aikikai, san dan in shotokan). I think I was shocked when I got this much of his back!
Because of the control of his head, and his thigh and hip with my forward leg, it came out ok. I believe I actually carried him along my body for a distance before we separated for zanshin.
Does this make any sense? I think there might be video of this throw, so I'll take a look over the weekend to see more.
RT
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Ron Tisdale
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"The higher a monkey climbs, the more you see of his behind."
St. Bonaventure (ca. 1221-1274)
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Ron Tisdale
Registered: June 2002
Location: Phila. Pa
Posts: 4,615
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Ok, I found this throw on the tape, and I'm definately cross stepping in for the throw. I checked some yosh and other sources...my right arm shouldn't really ever be bent like that, and uke's hips should probably be ** behind** me at that point. I think the clincher for me is that while wrestling [and maybe jujutsu] might control the head to control the body, aikido usually seems to control the hips and center. Time to do some more work...Thanks for the questions. They've inspired me, again (don't you ever get tired of inspiring us younguns?  )
RT
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Ron Tisdale
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"The higher a monkey climbs, the more you see of his behind."
St. Bonaventure (ca. 1221-1274)
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