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Old 11-04-2002, 12:31 PM   #1
Mike Moore
Dojo: Las Vegas Aikikai
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Injury

Hello all,
I posted a while back about starting to train in Aikido here in Las Vegas. I went to 2 class but droppped out due to severe pain while training and afterwards. I have a old injury to my right shoulder where my bones fused together and had to have half an inch cut off my clavicle. The other injury was I have deteriating disks in my upper back. Now the shoulder hurt but I dealt with that but my back laid me up for a few days cause I could barely get up. It was the falls and rolls that got to me. This was about 6 months ago and now I want to try again. Any wisdom would be appreciated.

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Mike Moore
Las Vegas, Nevada
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Old 11-04-2002, 12:46 PM   #2
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Check with a doctor first, and speak with the sensei, perhaps you could ease into doing ukemi very slowly. You could see if you could just do the techniques,no falling, but being uke is more fun. If the falling and rolling are going to cause you problems perhaps you could consider doing another martial art, I used to do karate and really enjoyed it.

Kat

I find the aquisition of knowledge to be relatively easy, it is the application that is so difficult.
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Old 11-04-2002, 02:46 PM   #3
Erik
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Kathryn Cole (Kat.C) wrote:
Check with a doctor first, and speak with the sensei
Kat is giving good advice here although it's advice that should not have to be given on this forum. Any injuries such as these should have been brought up in some manner during the registration process. In other words, someone (the teacher or whoever signed you up) should have had you fill out a questionaire (Physical Activity Readiness Questionnaire - PAR-Q) in regards to your health history. It is not a case of you speaking to the teacher, they should have processes in place so that they spoke to you on this topic. These injuries would have come up.

Here is a link directly related to the topic:

http://216.185.102.50/Scientific/sta...69801t1-6.html
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Old 11-04-2002, 04:50 PM   #4
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IMHO, get a complete check up on those old injuries. Learn the physical therapy stabilization exercises for your shoulder and back. Warm up, stay relaxed, breathe, and go slowly. Pay attention to form.

Until again,

Lynn

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We do not rise to the level of our expectations, but fall to the level of our training. Train well. KWATZ!
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Old 11-04-2002, 06:11 PM   #5
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Assuming you have already spoken with a doctor...

Yoga with a good teacher helps old injuries. Check out Beryl Bender Birch's book Power Yoga (she's got good written information about old injuries) and look for a good Iyengar or Astanga yoga studio in your neighborhood. Birch's approach (astanga) is a little intense and a real time-commitment but more athletic or yang. Iyengar is probably better if your injury is pretty severe, if you have less time, or if you are a particularly analytical person. It focuses a lot on learning proper alignment, you do very few techniques per class and hold them a long time.

This is just my opinion, but I think other styles of yoga are less effective when it comes to training a body to deal with an acute injury - they just focus on different things, like breath/prana, flexibility, relaxation. I would especially stay away from Bikram schools, because they're severely franchised and the tone is very competitive, very no-pain-no-gain, which could get you re-injured.

It is important to emphasize the good teacher part if you're working through an old injury. Your body compensates for old pains in countless ways that you are completely unaware of. Yoga can only re-teach your body to align itself and be comfortable and strong if you break those habits, and you will never be able to do that with a videotape or book. Be dilligent, make sure this person has been teaching for many years, make sure they know your situation and feel confident about helping you. If your injury is severe, make sure the instructor has a physical therapy (or similar) background. Remember that any knucklehead with a pair of leggings can teach a yoga class and do resesarch.

Whoa, that got long... blah dee blah

Deb

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