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Old 08-04-2010, 10:57 AM   #1
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The difference between tenkai and Kaiten.
Both have the word "ten" and "kai", but is set at two different locations.
This blanket mean?
Tenkai can say is a form tenkan, as tenshin? in my dojo is entering a blow by moving underneath uke's arm, but we call it the "uchi" opposite "Soto." Does anyone know this technique?
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Old 08-04-2010, 11:24 AM   #2
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Re: The difference between Tenkai and Kaiten

My understanding is that tenkai and kaiten mean exactly the same thing (although I don't hear kaiten very often?)... it's when you rotate your body 180 degrees by twisting your hips without taking steps (unlike tenkan). Personally I often hear both tenkan and tenkai used to refer to what's technically irimi tenkan or irimi tenkai (i.e., step forward and then tenkan or tenkai)... sometimes people don't specifically say irimi, I guess because it's obvious from the context.

As far as I have always heard them used, tenkan, tenkai, and tenshin (and irimi, and soto tenkan, etc) are basically just the names for steps you take or different ways you can displace your body and all are used as building blocks in many many many different techniques.

Uchi and soto I believe mean 'inside' and 'outside' so they refer to two different versions of a technique where one you enter 'inside' (e.g., by extending their arm and passing through the opening you've made) and the other 'outside'.
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Old 08-04-2010, 03:38 PM   #3
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Re: The difference between Tenkai and Kaiten

Broadly, tenkai is turning to change direction. Kaiten is turning around a (literal or figurative) axis. A boat changing course is tenkai. A spinning wheel is kaiten.

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Old 08-04-2010, 04:52 PM   #4
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Re: The difference between Tenkai and Kaiten

if this helps. Tenkan would be to turn and step(back) while a kaiten opening would be a (180)turn with no step

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Old 08-04-2010, 05:22 PM   #5
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Re: The difference between Tenkai and Kaiten

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if this helps. Tenkan would be to turn and step(back) while a kaiten opening would be a (180)turn with no step
It was Tenkai, not Tenkan.

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Old 08-05-2010, 12:39 AM   #6
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Re: The difference between Tenkai and Kaiten

At my school, tenkai is a pivot while tenkan is a shift...I think. Maybe I have that backwards...I've been drinking!

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Old 08-05-2010, 05:44 PM   #7
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It was Tenkai, not Tenkan.
Thanks and I know

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Old 08-09-2010, 06:22 PM   #8
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Re: The difference between Tenkai and Kaiten

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Broadly, tenkai is turning to change direction. Kaiten is turning around a (literal or figurative) axis. A boat changing course is tenkai. A spinning wheel is kaiten.
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Old 08-10-2010, 04:05 PM   #9
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Re: The difference between Tenkai and Kaiten

One thing to remember is that Japanese has a thesaurus just like other languages. So they had to find different words to describe different things only if the difference is minute. It become easier sometimes to now just say one word instead of two or more to describe the action: left hand wrist grab - turn to the outside {tenkan} - turn to the inside {tenkai}.
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