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03-03-2017, 11:09 AM
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#1976
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Dojo: Berkshire Hills Aikido
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
Did hitting him in the face make you feel good?
There is an understanding when training unless you agree otherwise that you don't hit. You might not like it, but hitting someone in the face in a demo or partner doesn't make you a good fighter. It makes you a dick.
Why don't you continue to train like you train and let aikido be. It works for me and I would not have gotten hit in the face and I would not have used you for a demo.
And aikido has helped me take of myself several times and really all the time because of the awareness and strength and ability I have developed. It has nothing to do with fighting -- it has to do with defending myself.
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03-03-2017, 12:29 PM
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#1977
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Join Date: Sep 2008
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
I was need in the groin during jewaza once, one of the most valuable lessons I had. Truly a Zen koan moment.
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03-03-2017, 12:32 PM
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#1978
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
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Mary Eastland wrote:
Did hitting him in the face make you feel good?
There is an understanding when training unless you agree otherwise that you don't hit. You might not like it, but hitting someone in the face in a demo or partner doesn't make you a good fighter. It makes you a dick..
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Accidents happen. And a busted lip is nothing serious so if this "He shouted at me and got really pissed off." was true the other dude was also a dick.
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03-03-2017, 12:33 PM
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#1979
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
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David Soroko wrote:
I was need in the groin during jewaza once,
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Funniest typos of the day.
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03-03-2017, 12:43 PM
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#1980
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Join Date: Sep 2008
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
Slow day? :-)
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03-03-2017, 12:48 PM
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#1981
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
1981.
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03-03-2017, 01:05 PM
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#1982
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Join Date: Sep 2008
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
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Mary Eastland wrote:
It makes you a dick.
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Is this verbal Aikido people keep talking about?
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03-03-2017, 01:07 PM
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#1983
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Dojo: Berkshire Hills Aikido
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
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Demetrio Cereijo wrote:
Accidents happen. And a busted lip is nothing serious so if this "He shouted at me and got really pissed off." was true the other dude was also a dick.
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agreed.
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03-04-2017, 01:09 PM
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#1984
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Dojo: Aikido Academy
Location: Athens
Join Date: Aug 2016
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
To be honest I think regardless of your rank if you are training with someone and they punch you hard enough to do damage of any kind, not apologizing and instead just shrugging while saying "your fault" would probably piss me off too. It shouldn't be a matter of how you train as to showing genuine concern and care for the well-being of your partner. I am of course assuming that summary did not omit anything like that of course.
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03-04-2017, 08:23 PM
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#1985
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Location: Edmonton, AB
Join Date: Jun 2006
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
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Cassia Rose Heatley wrote:
To be honest I think regardless of your rank if you are training with someone and they punch you hard enough to do damage of any kind, not apologizing and instead just shrugging while saying "your fault" would probably piss me off too. It shouldn't be a matter of how you train as to showing genuine concern and care for the well-being of your partner. I am of course assuming that summary did not omit anything like that of course.
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It all depends on the situation, of course, but if I'm "training" with someone, and they actually hit me, I do consider it my fault for having my nose in the wrong place. If I'm "training" with someone and they present the opening, I'll tell them, then if the opening is still there, I'll tap them, and accelerate over the next few openings until they get it, and take the opening away.
However, if I'm in a "demonstration" mode, teaching something, or perhaps being taught something, I expect that a warning "touch" (rather than a strike) might be warranted, but if someone hits me hard enough to draw blood during a slowed-down demonstration, I'll change from teaching mode to "one of us might end up needing a doctor" mode.
A friend had a "what's this aikido stuff" visit from a TKD practitioner, was step-by-step demonstrating something when he got a swift elbow in the side of the head... While saying "So, why did you do that while I was demonstrating at slow speed?" he put the fellow on the floor and nearly took his arm off.
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03-05-2017, 09:02 AM
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#1986
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Dojo: Shodokan Honbu (Osaka)
Location: Himeji, Japan
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
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Walter Martindale wrote:
A friend had a "what's this aikido stuff" visit from a TKD practitioner, was step-by-step demonstrating something when he got a swift elbow in the side of the head... While saying "So, why did you do that while I was demonstrating at slow speed?" he put the fellow on the floor and nearly took his arm off.
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Oh what the hell - let's help push this thread to the 1000 mark.
At the risk of me tooing in my case (and I might have related this story eons ago on aikiweb) my visitor was a Yoseikan Budo practitioner (I blame the man not the art) who attempted the same sort of strike. I didn't have time to say anything but his rejoinder was That's not Aikido. He might have had a point as I had cracked his ribs with my knee but then again I think it was.
Now to the point. It is usually pretty obvious when it is an accident and conversely pretty obvious when it is not. And to push the point - when it is not an accident it is also not a fight. There is no squaring off of opponents but a sucker punch, a straight up assault. In a training environment donuts to dollars it contains the expectation that there won't be retaliation.
For the surprise assault aikido has certain advantages and it is certainly no less advantageous than any art you care to name.
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03-05-2017, 11:42 AM
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#1987
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Location: Edmonton, AB
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
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Peter Rehse wrote:
Oh what the hell - let's help push this thread to the 1000 mark.
At the risk of me tooing in my case (and I might have related this story eons ago on aikiweb) my visitor was a Yoseikan Budo practitioner (I blame the man not the art) who attempted the same sort of strike. I didn't have time to say anything but his rejoinder was That's not Aikido. He might have had a point as I had cracked his ribs with my knee but then again I think it was.
Now to the point. It is usually pretty obvious when it is an accident and conversely pretty obvious when it is not. And to push the point - when it is not an accident it is also not a fight. There is no squaring off of opponents but a sucker punch, a straight up assault. In a training environment donuts to dollars it contains the expectation that there won't be retaliation.
For the surprise assault aikido has certain advantages and it is certainly no less advantageous than any art you care to name.
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he he he... don't you mean the 2000 mark?
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03-05-2017, 11:43 AM
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#1988
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Dojo: Shodokan Honbu (Osaka)
Location: Himeji, Japan
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
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Walter Martindale wrote:
he he he... don't you mean the 2000 mark?
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Um - yes - that's two more. Part of the plan.
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04-19-2017, 02:34 AM
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#1989
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Dojo: Cambridge Aikido, Cambridge UK
Location: Cambridge UK
Join Date: Nov 2003
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
I cannot be bothered to read all the posts so I may be repeating what someone has already said. Aikido does work. I have used it more than once. At no time did I do a technique as I have practiced/taught in the Dojo. What came out was an almalgamation of the various moves I have learnt. The whole point of doing a vast variety of movements, often from unrealistic attacks, is that your body reacts to whatever is thrown at it. If your body did not learn from repetitive movements then you would never be able to drive a car!
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04-19-2017, 05:36 AM
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#1990
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Dojo: Brighton Aikikai, UK
Join Date: Feb 2014
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
Baking does not work at all in a pie-eating contest.
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04-19-2017, 07:09 AM
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#1991
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Dojo: Allegheny Aikido
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Join Date: Apr 2009
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
YOUR baking might not work in a pie-eating contest, but mine works just fine, thanks!
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Conan Theobald wrote:
Baking does not work at all in a pie-eating contest.
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04-19-2017, 08:49 AM
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#1992
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Dojo: Brighton Aikikai, UK
Join Date: Feb 2014
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
I have competed in both pie and hot-dog eating contests and I am now training in the brazilian "Estrela da Morte" burger challenge. I have watched many No Olives Jarred competitions, like the UFC (Ultimate Feasting Contest), and it is clear to me that Baking and it's techniques and it's way of training do not prepare anyone to actually eat. I know that Baking practitioners talk a lot about concepts like kneading, folding...etc. but I also hear people talk about how it is a pratical means of subsistence. Baking does not have practical eating techniques or any REAL mouth-work at all. I would like to know how Baking can be used as subsistence if you cannot grill a steak.
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04-19-2017, 11:08 AM
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#1993
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Dojo: Allegheny Aikido
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
Baking can provide real nutrition if you know the secret potato baking techniques. Many critics of modern Baking have pointed out in recent years that those techniques are being lost and bakers in modern kitchens just dance around their flour without any serious focus.
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04-19-2017, 11:13 AM
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#1994
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Dojo: Allegheny Aikido
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
I'm sorry, but eating competitions have rules that make it not applicable to all eating situations. Baking, on the other hand, will give you the skills to face eating anywhere. Besides, something like a sachertorte can have so many eggs that it's just not safe in a competitive environment. The cholesterol alone....I shudder to think what could happen to Takeru Kobayashi!
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04-19-2017, 11:19 AM
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#1995
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Dojo: Allegheny Aikido
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
Actually, I think the true secret of using baking in a pie eating contest is to make sure you baked the pies you're eating!
Winning is easy if no one else likes rhubarb!
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04-21-2017, 05:27 AM
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#1996
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Join Date: Jun 2012
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
In my opinion, Aikido is more geared towards getting out of a fight. My Aikido turns into wrestling when I try to fight with it, which is probably a more appropriate style in this context.
I wonder what wrestling would turn into if the goal was to evade multiple attackers like the alive/resisting practise we do in Aikido.
I suppose if you can evade 3 attackers, you can evade one on one, the flashy throws are just a nice to have if your goal is not to get grabbed / hit.
The UFC would be interesting if this was the format, and probably closer to reality because a lot of real situations are not one on one. I wonder which styles would be most effective.
While we are on the subject of pies, perhaps we could work that in too. There could be a maze like PacMan and you have to eat as many pies as you can without being submitted. I would watch every comp!
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04-24-2017, 05:09 AM
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#1997
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Dojo: Zentrum fuer Bewegung & Lebenskunst/Bonn
Location: Bonn, Germany
Join Date: Jul 2009
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
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Conan Theobald wrote:
I have competed in both pie and hot-dog eating contests and I am now training in the brazilian "Estrela da Morte" burger challenge. I have watched many No Olives Jarred competitions, like the UFC (Ultimate Feasting Contest), and it is clear to me that Baking and it's techniques and it's way of training do not prepare anyone to actually eat. I know that Baking practitioners talk a lot about concepts like kneading, folding...etc. but I also hear people talk about how it is a pratical means of subsistence. Baking does not have practical eating techniques or any REAL mouth-work at all. I would like to know how Baking can be used as subsistence if you cannot grill a steak.
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You won. Its so obvious.
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04-24-2017, 04:18 PM
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#1998
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Dojo: Allegheny Aikido, Pitsburgh PA
Location: Pittsburgh PA
Join Date: May 2009
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
*sigh*
Not one of you seems to realise that the most important thing about baking is the internal practice. If your baking lacks internal power it is useless. And to be honest, what would be the point?
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04-24-2017, 04:44 PM
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#1999
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Dojo: Aikido Club of American Samoa
Location: American Samoa
Join Date: Jan 2015
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
Tohei Sensei said that even artillery can be Aikido....
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04-24-2017, 04:53 PM
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#2000
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Dojo: Zanshin Kai
Location: Birmingham
Join Date: Feb 2005
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
Two thousand.
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