Kotegaeshi in practice

Jim Baker wrote: Mike was a prison guard in NY and it was his job to extract reluctant inmates from their cells. He wasn't allowed to have any weapons, so he decided to study Aikido. After his first class or so, he was dealing with a violent prisoner and accidently found he had the guy in kotegaeshi. He took the guy down and the guy got up, so he took him to the ground again and he got up again. After a few rounds of this, Mike said to himself, "I really gotta learn how to pin!".

i think i know this mike ... red haired guy from the park slope dojo?
sounds like something he'd say

Richard Langridge wrote: Hi, just wondered if anyone has had to use kotegaeshi for self-defense. Thanks, Richard

The senseis I am training with back in Manila have used it several times. He said "it really works, I threw the guy 3X and never attacked after that"

[quote=Ian Dodkins]
I know an ex-instructor used it instinctively when he was stopping someone attacking a woman; he was suprised that the attacker was actually thrown through the air.


Thats interesting...That attacker must have had some martial arts experience. I am new to Aikido, but I have studied Kenpo for a long time and utilized kotegaeshi in many Kenpo techniques. I used to work in a jail and used kotegaeshi on an inmate once. He definitely didn't fly in the air or do any type of breakfall. He dropped to his knees and started screaming. I kept applying pressure and he dropped to his back, but he most certainly did not respond as your uke would in the dojo. Working in the jail allowed me to practice my martial arts quite a bit, and if I learned anything, its that our techniques do work. They are applicable in real life. Believe that, but they don't always look pretty or end the way we expect.

Call it a year and a half ago I was playing a show with my old band. During one of the breaks, our drummer's (intoxicated) girlfriend began arguing with me for some random reason (I wasn't arguing but she sure was).
At some point she thought it would help to convince me by grabbing my throat with her left hand. I was sitting in a chair at the time so there wasn't much blending or moving off line. Fortunately, Budweiser had already taken her balance. I gently applied kotegaeshi until she was sitting on the floor. When I had her attention I asked, "Why did you want to do that?"

Kotegaeshi is a powerful technique wheather from irime tenkan or a tenshen fade but when we freestyle the easiest technique I have found is ikkkyo or nikkyo ura. As you throw the uki down walk away from the situation fast. I love kotegaeshi as much as the next nagi but be practical too. Kotegaeshi is meant to break bones and "O Sensei" wanted us to protect our enemy at all cost first.

The emphasis on breaking things is upto you. You can break bones with ikkyo or nikkyo, if thats what you want to do...

How do you break bones with ikkyo and nikkyo? Maybe tendons and joint capsules, but I don't see bones.

I have learned different Nikyo's,an older version cuts very directly down in front of uke's center,
it is a very hard version and will easily break wristbones .
The application of ikkyo comes from an Atemi ,without tenkan you could break the elbow.

With Nikkyo, what Christian said, just cut down directly and with alot of focus. If uke doesnt move...

WIth ikkyo you extend the arm out and use atemi on the elbow to break it.