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theblakeman
07-05-2004, 10:10 PM
HEY GUYS CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO PRACTICE AIKIDO WITH MY DOG????? EVERYTIME I TRY DOING ARIMI NAGE OR MANY OF THE OTHER MOVES IT EITHER 1. KILLS THEM OR 2. MAKES THEM STOP BREATHING
so how do i do it without causing them to stop living am i doing something wrong here or wat???? :p :rolleyes:


:rolleyes:

shihonage
07-05-2004, 10:54 PM
There's a special style of Aikido for dogs, and ... I'll leave now without the cheap punchline.

Jerry Miller
07-05-2004, 11:02 PM
Let the dog show you how to do the iriminage. If you survive, follow the example. :hypno:

Robert Jackson
07-05-2004, 11:14 PM
I perform Iriminage on a friends dog all the time.... It's a limited version...
Pento (that's the dog) puts her front paws on my leg
I take my elbow and slowly move it into Pento (again that's the dog.)
Then I extend and Pento (Yup that's still the dog) falls backwards.

stuartjvnorton
07-05-2004, 11:57 PM
Try nikajo on it instead... ;-)

happysod
07-06-2004, 02:55 AM
Buy a bigger dog, you've been told before that picking on poodles is not aiki (although fun and in most countries legal on the grounds that they are the most annoying little darlings with the worst mullets in the canine world)

ian
07-06-2004, 03:06 AM
Aikido with dogs is great; irimi nage always seems to work for me (though be careful of their backs). Ever read Aikido and the New Warrior? A chapter on aikido with wolves. (could be a new Kevin Costner film eh?)

With cats it is far harder. They are fluid and have a much higher nerve transmission rate than humans so you can't get away with speed alone. However it can be done if you blend well.

Ian

P.S. anybody ever tried it with a Tiger or elephant? (aikido I mean)

theblakeman
07-06-2004, 01:47 PM
Damn I was just kidding....and I pray all of you are too....o_O

Chris Li
07-06-2004, 03:32 PM
Damn I was just kidding....and I pray all of you are too....o_O

Gozo Shioda used to practice with his dog - although he didn't recommend it for everyone...

Best,

Chris

cguzik
07-06-2004, 03:53 PM
I've had a dog so intent on getting my hand that a kokyu nage came out quite nicely.

Robert Jackson
07-06-2004, 04:10 PM
Joking? not at all. I find training with dogs can really help elevate you foot work.... It also requires great extension and MA-Ai <sp>. But Chris brings up a great point. You want to stay away from grab attacks, due to the lack of opposable thumbs dogs to grab by biting... which can hurt...

Niamh Marie O'Leary-Liu
10-05-2004, 12:37 PM
One time my sensei was at my house and was zoning out on the couch in front of a "Walker, Texas Ranger" re-run. I have a very friendly little pug, who figured sensei's lap would be a secure and comfortable spot for a nap. While sensei was distracted with some Chuck Norris stunts on TV, my dog snuck up on him and then leaped up quite suddenly onto the couch right next to him. Sensei's reflex was to perform some kind of combo block/kaitennage (too fast for my untrained eye to discern). Poor little pup went sailing across the room. She bounced out of it just fine, though she learned never to sneak up on a sensei. Sensei felt pretty bad about it afterwards and tried to make it up to her with treats but she kept proper ma-ai for a while after that!

John Boswell
10-05-2004, 01:09 PM
Dunno how aiki this is, but when it comes to dogs that bite... I grab their lower jaw and don't let go. They can't bite very well with half a jaw, especially if you use your thumb to depress the tongue as well. This annoys the hell outta them.

Gross? Sure. But I ain't getting bit either.

2 cents

The Molinjir
10-19-2004, 06:51 AM
Grabbing a biting dog's lower jaw is useful, I agree.
Aikido on a dog...., I occasionally try it on my own dog, but it is really based around defending oneself against humans, not dogs, who have a different bone structure. Occasionally, I will try ukemi if he bowls me over (120 lb dog) but other than that, not much works (for me).

Yokaze
10-25-2004, 05:21 PM
You people are nuts. Now I have to go try Irimi on my dog. THANKS.

Though I bet Kote gaeshi would work much better.

Anders Bjonback
10-25-2004, 09:28 PM
http://aikidog.com/

Sorry, couldn't resist.

thomas_dixon
10-26-2004, 02:08 AM
Try it on a police dog...

tedehara
10-26-2004, 09:07 AM
The book Aikido and the New Warrior - Richard Heckler (editor), had an article about "Aikido with Wolves". Since dogs are descended from wolves, the article could apply to dogs with modification.

Of course, it is much harder trying to uke for your dog.
;)

Bronson
10-26-2004, 02:13 PM
Of course, it is much harder trying to uke for your dog. ;)

I've done it...twice :D

Bronson

akiy
10-27-2004, 10:04 AM
The book Aikido and the New Warrior - Richard Heckler (editor), had an article about "Aikido with Wolves". Since dogs are descended from wolves, the article could apply to dogs with modification.
To clarify, the article Ted is referring to was written by Fred Donaldson. If I remember correctly, Fred was talking more about "aikido" rather than aikido with wolves -- more metaphorical than literal/physical applications on wolves. I had the opportunity to "play" with Fred a while back at an Aiki Extensions conference where he shared his thoughts on "Original Play." You can get more information on this subject at his website, http://www.originalplay.com.

-- Jun

The Molinjir
10-29-2004, 07:52 PM
Yeah, I have served as Uke to my dog many times, except his technique mainly consists of bowling me over by ramming his shoulder into the back of my knee when I am not looking. :)

Bronson
10-29-2004, 11:57 PM
his technique mainly consists of bowling me over by ramming his shoulder into the back of my knee when I am not looking. :)

I'm sure the Shodo-Thugs have a similar technique ;)

Bronson

pezalinski
12-06-2004, 01:38 PM
I used to be a co-owner of a large Rhodesian Ridgeback... 110# of muscular, pack-oriented, wrestling-loving, wonder-mutt. I used a lot of kokyu-nage and blending (and pleanty of leg sweeps), but an atemi (knee) to the solar plexus followed up by a successful pin was required to dissuade him when he was "going for my throat." Never let a ridgeback win - unless you like to be the lesser member of the "pack."

Also, upending the mutt and balancing his mass over his mouth, which he had fastened onto my forearm, was an effective way of saying, "please let go..." :)

bryce_montgomery
12-14-2004, 08:37 AM
Considering my 'man's best friends' are mini Pomeranian it's a little unfair to them ;). As far as technique go I've mainly done kaiten nage, kote gaeshi, and kokyu nage on them :D ...It's fun to see the poofs of hair come back for more.

Bryce

bryce_montgomery
09-02-2005, 02:17 PM
I didn't know this...but you can do nikyo on a dog! It's AWESOME!

Bryce

Camille Lore
09-02-2005, 09:08 PM
Ok.. who's obsessed with Aikido now :D

Tony Hudspith
09-08-2005, 06:20 AM
Hi everyone
As a postie here in England and a 3rd Dan I feel I have enough experience to tell you the best technique for dog attacks. It isn't nikyo, irimi nage or anything like that it's..........................
Ruuuuuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!

Tony

Goye
09-08-2005, 07:24 AM
In order to clarify about the Aikido technique Tony has told us, you have to do just to simple movements:

1. Tenkan
2. Irimi, irimi, irimi, Irimi, irimi, irimi, Irimi, irimi, irimi, Irimi, irimi, irimi, Irimi, irimi, irimi, Irimi, irimi, irimi, Irimi, irimi, irimi, Irimi, irimi, irimi, Irimi, irimi, irimi, Irimi, irimi, irimi, Irimi, irimi, irimi, Irimi, irimi, irimi,......

James Davis
09-12-2005, 11:31 AM
A quick yonkyo on my german shepherd's nose made her let go of my hand pretty fast. ;)

Kutisake
09-13-2005, 12:45 PM
I'm sorry for your dog...

James Davis
09-13-2005, 03:41 PM
I'm sorry for your dog...
She's okay. She got a little excited about a toy I was holding, so excited that words weren't having any effect! :) The yonkyo only hurt her for a moment, and we were friends again in short order.

I'm pretty sure she forgot about it long before I stopped bleeding. :p

Mark Gibbons
09-13-2005, 04:02 PM
I've had some aikido with dog experiences lately. I've been riding by on my bike and been charged by the same beast (think Toto in wiz of oz) 4 times over the last 2 months. The owner (taking dog for a walk) just refuses to use the leash. The first three times I made sure to get the dog between me and the curb protecting it from ongoing traffic. Pre-aikido my normal impulse would have been to position so as to push the monster into the oncoming traffic (I have a long mutual dislike relationship with canines, mostly involving me bleeding and limping). The fourth time the owner and dog were across the street, dog sees me and comes across the road directly at me. Dog doesn't see truck. But got very lucky, the truck missed by an inch or so. Its a somewhat interesting problem in connection trying to get a dog from your outside where its likely to die back to the inside without really being able to see it. I have no idea how to protect a totally suicidal dog-uke. : )

Mark

rogueenergy
09-14-2005, 12:03 AM
Hi everyone
As a postie here in England and a 3rd Dan I feel I have enough experience to tell you the best technique for dog attacks. It isn't nikyo, irimi nage or anything like that it's..........................
Ruuuuuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!

Tony

that's the worst technique imaginable.

You need to make yourself small and stay put. If it comes within what you feel is a comfortable ma'ai irimi, go for the throat and take it down. Just make sure you don't let go. Let your hand slide up to the jaw bones and you and the dog will be safe. Even a large dog will go down if you get under it's center.

I play with my dog a lot and as long as I position myself to get under her center I get the upper hand. If not, I usually end up taking a fall.

dyffcult
09-14-2005, 10:15 PM
Ian....you need to specify "miniature" poodles. Have you ever seen the size of a standard poodle? Not only are they considered one of the most intelligent breeds around, but they are considered excellent guard dogs. (though not genetically agressive).

Tony... never run from a dog....unless there is a tree in the imediate vicinity and you know how to climb it....otherwise, to a dog a runner is prey and it will give chase. Larger dogs will always be able to outrun you :-)

Ive used aikido on Buddy (70 pounds of sharpei, german shepard, pitt and rodeshian mix) in play, including the holding lower jaw-grabbing tongue thingy. However, I taught him as a puppy that I am alpha and he will cease and desist when I so say. He always has. (By the way, he scares the sh*t out of everyone, but he really is a lover:-)

Brenda

Brenda

emma.mason15
09-22-2005, 06:10 PM
You Are Alll Very Very Very Very Very Very Wrong!

Lee Mulgrew
09-23-2005, 03:24 AM
Hi everyone
As a postie here in England and a 3rd Dan I feel I have enough experience to tell you the best technique for dog attacks. It isn't nikyo, irimi nage or anything like that it's..........................
Ruuuuuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!

Tony

Tony Sensei! I am shocked! "Blackbelts don't feel pain". I am also bringing Pebble to Monday's class! :D :D :D :eek:

Sonja2012
09-23-2005, 03:29 AM
Tony Sensei! I am shocked! "Blackbelts don't feel pain". I am also bringing Pebble to Monday's class! :D :D :D :eek:

I have a cat called Pebbles (sorry if the cat thing is a bit off topic here, but her attacks can be very painful indeed) and the best thing to do when she attacks is to relax (seriously!) :) Makes me think of keiko every time :D

Lee Mulgrew
09-23-2005, 03:37 AM
I have a cat called Pebbles (sorry if the cat thing is a bit off topic here, but her attacks can be very painful indeed) and the best thing to do when she attacks is to relax (seriously!) :) Makes me think of keiko every time :D

Ihave the same problem with an evil genius cat called Mr Lao (no, really, he's bond villain standard!). They stop because they think they finally succeeded in killing you! :p
Dog seems to have the same trouble with him (see Animals can do Aikido too!!! thread) :uch:

Sonja2012
09-23-2005, 04:35 AM
They stop because they think they finally succeeded in killing you!

Aaahhh, thanks for clearing that up! So, it is a zombie feeding them every day, then? ;)