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Old 07-05-2004, 10:10 PM   #1
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Evil Eyes Aikido With A Dog

HEY GUYS CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO PRACTICE AIKIDO WITH MY DOG????? EVERYTIME I TRY DOING ARIMI NAGE OR MANY OF THE OTHER MOVES IT EITHER 1. KILLS THEM OR 2. MAKES THEM STOP BREATHING
so how do i do it without causing them to stop living am i doing something wrong here or wat????


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Old 07-05-2004, 10:54 PM   #2
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Re: Aikido With A Dog

There's a special style of Aikido for dogs, and ... I'll leave now without the cheap punchline.
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Old 07-05-2004, 11:02 PM   #3
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Let the dog show you how to do the iriminage. If you survive, follow the example.

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Old 07-05-2004, 11:14 PM   #4
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Re: Aikido With A Dog

I perform Iriminage on a friends dog all the time.... It's a limited version...
Pento (that's the dog) puts her front paws on my leg
I take my elbow and slowly move it into Pento (again that's the dog.)
Then I extend and Pento (Yup that's still the dog) falls backwards.
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Old 07-05-2004, 11:57 PM   #5
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Re: Aikido With A Dog

Try nikajo on it instead... ;-)
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Old 07-06-2004, 02:55 AM   #6
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Re: Aikido With A Dog

Buy a bigger dog, you've been told before that picking on poodles is not aiki (although fun and in most countries legal on the grounds that they are the most annoying little darlings with the worst mullets in the canine world)
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Old 07-06-2004, 03:06 AM   #7
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Re: Aikido With A Dog

Aikido with dogs is great; irimi nage always seems to work for me (though be careful of their backs). Ever read Aikido and the New Warrior? A chapter on aikido with wolves. (could be a new Kevin Costner film eh?)

With cats it is far harder. They are fluid and have a much higher nerve transmission rate than humans so you can't get away with speed alone. However it can be done if you blend well.

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P.S. anybody ever tried it with a Tiger or elephant? (aikido I mean)
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Old 07-06-2004, 01:47 PM   #8
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Re: Aikido With A Dog

Damn I was just kidding....and I pray all of you are too....o_O
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Old 07-06-2004, 03:32 PM   #9
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Damn I was just kidding....and I pray all of you are too....o_O
Gozo Shioda used to practice with his dog - although he didn't recommend it for everyone...

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Old 07-06-2004, 03:53 PM   #10
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I've had a dog so intent on getting my hand that a kokyu nage came out quite nicely.
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Old 07-06-2004, 04:10 PM   #11
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Joking? not at all. I find training with dogs can really help elevate you foot work.... It also requires great extension and MA-Ai <sp>. But Chris brings up a great point. You want to stay away from grab attacks, due to the lack of opposable thumbs dogs to grab by biting... which can hurt...
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Old 10-05-2004, 12:37 PM   #12
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Re: Aikido With A Dog

One time my sensei was at my house and was zoning out on the couch in front of a "Walker, Texas Ranger" re-run. I have a very friendly little pug, who figured sensei's lap would be a secure and comfortable spot for a nap. While sensei was distracted with some Chuck Norris stunts on TV, my dog snuck up on him and then leaped up quite suddenly onto the couch right next to him. Sensei's reflex was to perform some kind of combo block/kaitennage (too fast for my untrained eye to discern). Poor little pup went sailing across the room. She bounced out of it just fine, though she learned never to sneak up on a sensei. Sensei felt pretty bad about it afterwards and tried to make it up to her with treats but she kept proper ma-ai for a while after that!
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Old 10-05-2004, 01:09 PM   #13
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Re: Aikido With A Dog

Dunno how aiki this is, but when it comes to dogs that bite... I grab their lower jaw and don't let go. They can't bite very well with half a jaw, especially if you use your thumb to depress the tongue as well. This annoys the hell outta them.

Gross? Sure. But I ain't getting bit either.

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Old 10-19-2004, 06:51 AM   #14
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Grabbing a biting dog's lower jaw is useful, I agree.
Aikido on a dog...., I occasionally try it on my own dog, but it is really based around defending oneself against humans, not dogs, who have a different bone structure. Occasionally, I will try ukemi if he bowls me over (120 lb dog) but other than that, not much works (for me).
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Old 10-25-2004, 05:21 PM   #15
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Re: Aikido With A Dog

You people are nuts. Now I have to go try Irimi on my dog. THANKS.

Though I bet Kote gaeshi would work much better.

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Old 10-25-2004, 09:28 PM   #16
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http://aikidog.com/

Sorry, couldn't resist.

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Old 10-26-2004, 02:08 AM   #17
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Try it on a police dog...
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Old 10-26-2004, 09:07 AM   #18
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Re: Aikido With A Dog

The book Aikido and the New Warrior - Richard Heckler (editor), had an article about "Aikido with Wolves". Since dogs are descended from wolves, the article could apply to dogs with modification.

Of course, it is much harder trying to uke for your dog.

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Old 10-26-2004, 02:13 PM   #19
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Of course, it is much harder trying to uke for your dog.
I've done it...twice

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Old 10-27-2004, 10:04 AM   #20
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The book Aikido and the New Warrior - Richard Heckler (editor), had an article about "Aikido with Wolves". Since dogs are descended from wolves, the article could apply to dogs with modification.
To clarify, the article Ted is referring to was written by Fred Donaldson. If I remember correctly, Fred was talking more about "aikido" rather than aikido with wolves -- more metaphorical than literal/physical applications on wolves. I had the opportunity to "play" with Fred a while back at an Aiki Extensions conference where he shared his thoughts on "Original Play." You can get more information on this subject at his website, http://www.originalplay.com.

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Old 10-29-2004, 07:52 PM   #21
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Yeah, I have served as Uke to my dog many times, except his technique mainly consists of bowling me over by ramming his shoulder into the back of my knee when I am not looking.
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Old 10-29-2004, 11:57 PM   #22
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his technique mainly consists of bowling me over by ramming his shoulder into the back of my knee when I am not looking.
I'm sure the Shodo-Thugs have a similar technique

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Old 12-06-2004, 01:38 PM   #23
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Re: Aikido With A Dog

I used to be a co-owner of a large Rhodesian Ridgeback... 110# of muscular, pack-oriented, wrestling-loving, wonder-mutt. I used a lot of kokyu-nage and blending (and pleanty of leg sweeps), but an atemi (knee) to the solar plexus followed up by a successful pin was required to dissuade him when he was "going for my throat." Never let a ridgeback win - unless you like to be the lesser member of the "pack."

Also, upending the mutt and balancing his mass over his mouth, which he had fastened onto my forearm, was an effective way of saying, "please let go..."
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Old 12-14-2004, 08:37 AM   #24
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Re: Aikido With A Dog

Considering my 'man's best friends' are mini Pomeranian it's a little unfair to them . As far as technique go I've mainly done kaiten nage, kote gaeshi, and kokyu nage on them ...It's fun to see the poofs of hair come back for more.

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Old 09-02-2005, 02:17 PM   #25
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I didn't know this...but you can do nikyo on a dog! It's AWESOME!

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