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CarlRylander
06-30-2010, 08:44 AM
Well, it makes ME stronger! What would Osensei have said?

You can have too much of it, though, and you can't have too much Ki!

Janet Rosen
06-30-2010, 10:13 AM
and you can't have too much Ki!

Traditional Chinese Medicine would disagree.

RED
06-30-2010, 10:21 AM
Sunshine increases Vitamin D production. Vitamin D fuels the absorbency of Vitamin B12 and B6.
These B complexes increase the metabolism and boost endurance. High Vitamin D also increases endorphin level in the brain.
So metabolically, 10 minutes of direct sun light,3 times per week, will make you feel better, happier, and improve the chemical ballance of the brain.

However, too much sun will cause genetic deterioration and coax the growth of free radicals in the body. This process causes the body's cell to become oxidized. This causes cancer and premature aging.

I don't know if sunlight is "Ki"
It's all in moderation... you can have too much "Ki" and too much sunlight. Especially if it is bad Ki.


O'sensei thought Aiki worked both ways. The same force you use for protecting yourself, loving other and healing yourself and others, can just as easily be used to kill and maim and hate. That's why O'Sensei was selective about who he accepted as a student. You can technically kill some one using Aiki principles.

Flintstone
06-30-2010, 11:08 AM
O'sensei thought Aiki worked both ways. The same force you use for protecting yourself, loving other and healing yourself and others, can just as easily be used to kill and maim and hate. That's why O'Sensei was selective about who he accepted as a student. You can technically kill some one using Aiki principles.
And how do you know what O Sensei thought? And how does the ability to "technically kill some one (sic) using Aiki principles (whatever they are)" relate to sunshine?

lbb
06-30-2010, 01:49 PM
And how can you have sunshine on a cloudy day, anyway???

Janet Rosen
06-30-2010, 01:55 PM
And how can you have sunshine on a cloudy day, anyway???

That's my girl! :)

Michael Hackett
06-30-2010, 01:55 PM
You can have sunshine on a cloudy day if you hang out with "My Girl".

phitruong
06-30-2010, 01:58 PM
being meaning to put some solar panels on my hakama. problem is my ass too wide and it keeps blotting out the sun. i am thinking of going for bio-degradable approach, using cabbage and beans, to increase my Ki. i believed O Sensei would approve such approach. :)

BC
06-30-2010, 02:04 PM
"In my world everyone's a pony, and they all eat rainbows and poop butterflies!"

dps
06-30-2010, 02:27 PM
Aikido the art of Peace.

Budo is love.

Ki is Sunshine.

Feel the love.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmxSL6H2QEg

David :)

Hellis
06-30-2010, 03:00 PM
being meaning to put some solar panels on my hakama. problem is my ass too wide and it keeps blotting out the sun. i am thinking of going for bio-degradable approach, using cabbage and beans, to increase my Ki. i believed O Sensei would approve such approach. :)

I wonder what OSensei would think of your diet :-)
Is Aikido air :-) ( try your diet )
Ki and sunshine :-)

Henry Ellis
http://www.british-aikido.com

Mikemac
06-30-2010, 03:12 PM
i am thinking of going for bio-degradable approach, using cabbage and beans, to increase my Ki. i believed O Sensei would approve such approach. :)

Oh yes...I've heard of this. I believe the Aikido technique is called Pootanage, roughly translated as "The Great Wind Throw". It's the most effective no-touch throw, envied by masters all throughout Japanese history. ;)

sakumeikan
06-30-2010, 03:22 PM
You can have sunshine on a cloudy day if you hang out with "My Girl".

Precisely!! Well said! Joe.

sakumeikan
06-30-2010, 03:27 PM
being meaning to put some solar panels on my hakama. problem is my ass too wide and it keeps blotting out the sun. i am thinking of going for bio-degradable approach, using cabbage and beans, to increase my Ki. i believed O Sensei would approve such approach. :)

O sensei might well have approved of your approach however I think you partners would have had strong reservations about your training methods/dietary needs..Of course with such a diet you might well have to spend more time in the rest room than on the tatami.
Is this blog a WIND up? Joe.

sakumeikan
06-30-2010, 03:33 PM
Oh yes...I've heard of this. I believe the Aikido technique is called Pootanage, roughly translated as "The Great Wind Throw". It's the most effective no-touch throw, envied by masters all throughout Japanese history. ;)
Dear michael,
Does this throw blow away all opposition?Perhaps you could include a clip of this on video for our amusement and edification?
I for one am always on the look out for new waza.Perhaps you should consider a holding a Seminar on this Waza?
Joe.

phitruong
06-30-2010, 04:02 PM
Dear michael,
Does this throw blow away all opposition?Perhaps you could include a clip of this on video for our amusement and edification?
I for one am always on the look out for new waza.Perhaps you should consider a holding a Seminar on this Waza?
Joe.

have you seen our shihan, the Spleen? http://www.metacafe.com/watch/584770/mystery_men_the_spleen/
:D

Mikemac
06-30-2010, 04:13 PM
have you seen our shihan, the Spleen? http://www.metacafe.com/watch/584770/mystery_men_the_spleen/
:D

Master!! I have found you!!! Hahahahaha! Nice one....Thanks

RED
06-30-2010, 07:54 PM
And how do you know what O Sensei thought? And how does the ability to "technically kill some one (sic) using Aiki principles (whatever they are)" relate to sunshine?

He asked is Sunshine was Ki. I don't know if it is or not.

The statement that O'Sensei believed Ki worked both ways is from his biography and from his "Secret Teachings" book,both published by his son and the 2nd Doshu. I highly suggest picking them up if you haven't, especially the latter, it goes fully in depth about what O'Sensei considered Aiki principles and his thoughts on Ki.
I drew a line saying ki works both ways according to O'Sensei, and Sunshine works both ways according to modern science.

Flintstone
07-01-2010, 03:54 AM
The statement that O'Sensei believed Ki worked both ways is from his biography and from his "Secret Teachings" book,both published by his son and the 2nd Doshu. I highly suggest picking them up if you haven't, especially the latter, it goes fully in depth about what O'Sensei considered Aiki principles and his thoughts on Ki.
Thank you, I own them. But that is still the interpretation of Kisshomaru, the Great Reformer.

CarlRylander
07-01-2010, 07:32 AM
Sunshine's just radiation. It causes life, which has Ki in it. There might be some forms of life that don't need a sun, so Ki might be seperate.

Isn't there a science fiction book that brings up the idea of the 'Universal will to become' ??

That might be Ki ? Perhaps it was a massive dose of Ki, that started the Big Bang?

RED
07-01-2010, 10:22 AM
Thank you, I own them. But that is still the interpretation of Kisshomaru, the Great Reformer.

Well I'm Aikikai and post war Aikido. So I'm inclined to believe all the Doshu just because I was brought up under the Aikikai

I understand the concerns of the prewar schools however.

Flintstone
07-01-2010, 10:32 AM
Well I'm Aikikai and post war Aikido. So I'm inclined to believe all the Doshu just because I was brought up under the Aikikai
While this is, of course, great, it doesn't mean just because you are Aikikai you must believe what Doshu (or whoever) says. Critical thinking works wonders.

I understand the concerns of the prewar schools however.
Not concerns, but facts. And in most occasions well documented.

RED
07-01-2010, 10:51 AM
While this is, of course, great, it doesn't mean just because you are Aikikai you must believe what Doshu (or whoever) says. Critical thinking works wonders.

Not concerns, but facts. And in most occasions well documented.

Frankly, at this step in my Aikido I recognize that my teachers and the Doshu know more than I do. I'm still trying to learn Aikido.
I don't feel I've advanced enough to question with any good opinion yet. I don't like to make stone-hard opinions until I feel I have enough knowledge to do so. Until then I ask questions of people who obviously know more than me.

Flintstone
07-01-2010, 06:03 PM
Frankly, at this step in my Aikido I recognize that my teachers and the Doshu know more than I do. I'm still trying to learn Aikido.
That's great. And true. They know more than you (or I) do. And that's not necessarily what they are transmitting.

I don't feel I've advanced enough to question with any good opinion yet. I don't like to make stone-hard opinions until I feel I have enough knowledge to do so. Until then I ask questions of people who obviously know more than me.
Well, you are making several if not many stone-hard assertions in this forum since long ago. And seriously, people like the Saitos, Tomiki, Mochizuki, Shioda, Chiba... even Tohei... and then Pranin, Amdur... they obviously know more than you too, and they all agree in that Kisshomaru changed the rules of the game.

MM
07-02-2010, 06:15 AM
Frankly, at this step in my Aikido I recognize that my teachers and the Doshu know more than I do. I'm still trying to learn Aikido.
I don't feel I've advanced enough to question with any good opinion yet. I don't like to make stone-hard opinions until I feel I have enough knowledge to do so. Until then I ask questions of people who obviously know more than me.

That's funny, because in another thread, you stated that you did have enough knowledge.

I'm aware of what he did. And I'm aware of what he said.

The quote is a warning to people who care too much about rank.

That's great. And true. They know more than you (or I) do. And that's not necessarily what they are transmitting.

Well, you are making several if not many stone-hard assertions in this forum since long ago. And seriously, people like the Saitos, Tomiki, Mochizuki, Shioda, Chiba... even Tohei... and then Pranin, Amdur... they obviously know more than you too, and they all agree in that Kisshomaru changed the rules of the game.

I would listen to Alejandro Villanueva. You can go to Aikido Journal and get all the back issues on DVD to read. I think getting an online subscription might even get you that DVD for free (used to be a special and I'm not sure it's still there). There are a lot of articles and interviews regarding how "history" was changed by the son.

Mark Uttech
07-02-2010, 07:26 AM
Onegaishimasu. The "voices of experience" section of this forum is another place to look.

In gassho,

Mark

lbb
07-02-2010, 07:29 AM
It may not have ki...
...but it has Vitamin D...
...and that's enough for me.

:-D

brunotex
07-02-2010, 07:39 AM
Why Does The Sun Really Shine? :)

The sun is a miasma
Of incandescent plasma
The sun's not simply made out of gas
No, no, no

The sun is a quagmire
It's not made of fire
Forget what you've been told in the past

(Plasma!)
Electrons are free
(Plasma!)
Fourth state of matter
Not gas, not liquid, not solid

The sun isn't a red dwarf
I hope it never morphs
Into a supernova'd collapsed orb
Orb, orb, orb

The sun is a miasma
Of incandescent plasma
I forget what I was told by myself
Elf, elf, elf

(Plasma!)
Electrons are free
(Plasma!)
Fourth state of matter
Not gas, not liquid, not solid

(Plasma!)
Forget that song
(Plasma!)
They got it wrong
That thesis has been rendered invalid

Flintstone
07-02-2010, 10:48 AM
It may not have ki...
...but it has Vitamin D...
...and that's enough for me.

:-D
The Sun has Vitamin D. Really?

RED
07-02-2010, 11:10 AM
That's great. And true. They know more than you (or I) do. And that's not necessarily what they are transmitting.

Well, you are making several if not many stone-hard assertions in this forum since long ago. And seriously, people like the Saitos, Tomiki, Mochizuki, Shioda, Chiba... even Tohei... and then Pranin, Amdur... they obviously know more than you too, and they all agree in that Kisshomaru changed the rules of the game.

Oh the people you mentioned definitely do. For the name sensei that are still alive(or was alive during my Aikido training in the past), I've look forward to training under at any opportunity I get. And I have appreciated the instruction I've received from their direct students in the past.

RED
07-02-2010, 11:17 AM
That's funny, because in another thread, you stated that you did have enough knowledge.

.

The quote you quoted from is out of context. I was talking about a different issue all together, in regards to the specific instances the person I was talking to was discussing.
I wasn't talking about history here in this thread at least. At this point in my life I don't care about the past politics of the Aikikai. Maybe my curiosity of Aikikai history will be stronger later. At this point in my Aikido I just care about learning Aikido and don't have any formulated opinions on the politics. (At least not concrete ones.)
Training is more important at this point.

Cheers,

Erick Mead
07-02-2010, 02:14 PM
And how can you have sunshine on a cloudy day, anyway???
That's easy. Fly above the clouds...

lbb
07-02-2010, 02:45 PM
The Sun has Vitamin D. Really?

Hey, relax. It's only the second of July; you have 29 more days to make your nit-picking quote, so no need to try and get it all in today.

mathewjgano
07-02-2010, 07:19 PM
And how do you know what O Sensei thought? And how does the ability to "technically kill some one (sic) using Aiki principles (whatever they are)" relate to sunshine?

Really? Am I missing something? Are you suggesting O Sensei didn't think aiki could be used to both help or to hurt? That's what I thought she was saying, at least...
Which brings me to your next question:
I thought it related because, like sunshine, it can also kill. Seems pretty straight forward to me, though it wouldn't be the first time if I am missing something.
Ogenkide,
Matt

Rob Watson
07-02-2010, 09:40 PM
Really? Am I missing something? Are you suggesting O Sensei didn't think aiki could be used to both help or to hurt? That's what I thought she was saying, at least...
Which brings me to your next question:
I thought it related because, like sunshine, it can also kill. Seems pretty straight forward to me, though it wouldn't be the first time if I am missing something.
Ogenkide,
Matt

Aiki doesn't kill people. People kill people. Osensei said aiki is used to make people do what you want ... he didn't want to kill them (that's my impression anyway).

Ki is energy. Everything is made of energy (see Einstein) so everything is energy. That does not help understand how to use it ... the ebb and flow of energy - now this is something to work on.

Shameless plug: Remember that the sun is a giant nuclear reactor so all you 'go solar' folks are actually rooting for nuclear power-just NIMBY on a grand scale. Let's just hope Phi and his cabbage/beans reactor does not go critical ...

Janet Rosen
07-02-2010, 10:56 PM
Let's just hope Phi and his cabbage/beans reactor does not go critical ...
Hey, if he/it did in my neighborhood, I'd sure be critical :)

RED
07-02-2010, 11:28 PM
That's what I thought she was saying, at least...
Which brings me to your next question:
I thought it related because, like sunshine, it can also kill. Seems pretty straight forward to me, though it wouldn't be the first time if I am missing something.
Ogenkide,
Matt

Yeah, that was pretty much what I was saying.
Ki is energy. Aiki is the principle of using ki freely, or nonresistance to energy. You can use it for whatever means you are able to. Defense or offense. Heal or hurt.
At least that's what I've gathered from what I've read of O'Sensei's thoughts on the subject of Ki and Aiki.

mathewjgano
07-03-2010, 02:40 PM
Aiki doesn't kill people. People kill people.
:p No no no...people don't kill people, the systematic failure of vital organs kills people!:D

Osensei said aiki is used to make people do what you want ... he didn't want to kill them (that's my impression anyway).
Sure, but want to and able to are two different things. When I'm baking to a lovely golden tan, the sun almost certainly doesn't want to kill me, but it is certainly able to if one of us isn't careful enough.

Shameless plug: Remember that the sun is a giant nuclear reactor so all you 'go solar' folks are actually rooting for nuclear power-just NIMBY on a grand scale. Let's just hope Phi and his cabbage/beans reactor does not go critical ...
Sorry, had to be done: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wvxa3RCn4Dg

Rev.K. Barrish
07-03-2010, 05:11 PM
Hello everyone,

may I suggest a Shinto perspective re: Sunshine and Ki

Basic of Shinto is to respect and revere the Generative Cosmic Vitality of the Sun as our ultimate parent. A way to think of the word for human being: hito is Hi=sun and to= tomeru to stop. Sun stop suggests the thinking that our human forms are temporary resting places for divine solar Ki. If we can understand this deeply we can have true understanding of the Shinto thinking that was the root of Aiki.

recently a shrine friend sent the following article regarding new Scientific understanding of the relationship of the Sun (parent) and Earth (Child).... this is really a type of vibrational entrainment or synchronized pulsing of KI.....................the attached image is a close up of the surface of the sun.

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Strange Portal Connects Earth to Sun
By Jeanna Bryner, Senior Writer

posted: 03 November 2008 08:22 am ET

This artist's concept shows a magnetic portal connecting Earth's magnetic field connecting to the sun's. The spacecraft is on hand to measure the high-energy particles and fields flowing through the portal. Credit: NASA

This artist's concept shows a magnetic portal connecting Earth's magnetic field connecting to the sun's. The spacecraft is on hand to measure the high-energy particles and fields flowing through the portal. Credit: NASA
Like giant, cosmic chutes between the Earth and sun, magnetic portals open up every eight minutes or so to connect our planet with its host star.

Once the portals open, loads of high-energy particles can travel the 93 million miles (150 million km) through the conduit during its brief opening, space scientists say.

Called a flux transfer event, or FTE, such cosmic connections not only exist but are possibly twice as common as anyone ever imagined, according to space scientists who attended the 2008 Plasma Workshop in Huntsville, Ala., last week.

"Ten years ago I was pretty sure they didn't exist, but now the evidence is incontrovertible," said David Sibeck, an astrophysicist at the Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland.

Dynamic bursts

Researchers have long known that the Earth and sun must be connected. For instance, particles from the sun are constantly whisked away via the solar wind and often follow magnetic field lines that connect the sun's atmosphere with terra firma. The field lines allow particles to penetrate Earth's magnetosphere, the magnetic bubble that surrounds our planet.

"We used to think the connection was permanent and that solar wind could trickle into the near-Earth environment anytime the wind was active," Sibeck said. "We were wrong. The connections are not steady at all. They are often brief, bursty and very dynamic."

Several speakers at the workshop outlined the formation of a flux transfer event. One idea is that on the side of Earth facing the sun, our magnetic field presses against the sun's magnetic field. And about every eight minutes, the two fields briefly reconnect, forming a portal through which particles can flow. The portal takes the form of a magnetic cylinder about as wide as Earth.

Sibeck said to think of the FTE as a giant rolling pin that lies flat along the boundary between the Earth's and sun's magnetic fields. (He noted the rolling pin would have to be malleable so it could pierce through both magnetic fields while lying flat.)

"These FTEs kind of look like roller pins, and they form as little blob roller pins at the tip of the magnetosphere facing the sun," Sibeck told SPACE.com. "They can't decide which way they're going to slide around the Earth, so they grow there into big roller pins and then they take off and sort of spirally roll along [Earth's magnetosphere] like you're pounding out dough."

More than one FTE can form at once, he said, and they stay open for about 15 to 20 minutes.

More to learn

In order to measure such FTEs, spacecraft must not only catch them forming but also be on either end of the magnetic structures (either lengthwise or widthwise). In fact, the European Space Agency's fleet of four Cluster spacecraft and NASA's five THEMIS probes have flown through and surrounded these cylinders, measuring their dimensions and sensing the particles that shoot through, Sibeck said. While these measurements have nailed down the width of an FTE, the length is still uncertain though one measurement put it at up to five Earth radii. One Earth radius is about 4,000 miles (6,400 kilometers).

Astrophysicist Jimmy Raeder of the University of New Hampshire used those measurements to develop computer simulations of the portals. He found the cylindrical portals tend to form above Earth's equator and then in December, the FTEs would roll over the North Pole. In July, they roll over the South Pole.

Sibeck thinks the events occur twice as often as previously thought, proposing two types of flux transfer events � active and passive.

When the magnetic cylinders are active, they allow particles to flow through rather easily, forming important conduits of energy for Earth's magnetosphere, Sibeck said. When passive, the cylinders have more resistance to transiting particles. The internal structure of a passive cylinder makes it tougher for particles and magnetic fields to flow through. Sibeck has calculated the properties of passive FTEs and hopes he and his colleagues will hunt for signs of them in data collected with THEMIS and Cluster.

The space scientists at the workshop still want to figure out why the portals form every eight minutes and how magnetic fields inside the cylinders twist and coil.

Yoroshiku onegaishimasu
K. Barrish
America Tsubaki Okami Yashiro Kannushi

Chris Farnham
07-23-2010, 01:11 AM
Also Ki, as the Japanese understand it is not restricted to martial arts or esoteric energy fields for healing. It is a basic concept for a variety of energies. Just look at the words for weather(tenki天気), health/vitality(genki 元気), electricity(denki電気)and feelings(kimochi気持ち).They all contain the kanji for ki. Of course sunlight has ki. It is a form of energy isn't it?