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Old 06-30-2010, 08:44 AM   #1
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Does sunshine have Ki in it?

Well, it makes ME stronger! What would Osensei have said?

You can have too much of it, though, and you can't have too much Ki!
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Old 06-30-2010, 10:13 AM   #2
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Re: Does sunshine have Ki in it?

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and you can't have too much Ki!
Traditional Chinese Medicine would disagree.

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Old 06-30-2010, 10:21 AM   #3
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Re: Does sunshine have Ki in it?

Sunshine increases Vitamin D production. Vitamin D fuels the absorbency of Vitamin B12 and B6.
These B complexes increase the metabolism and boost endurance. High Vitamin D also increases endorphin level in the brain.
So metabolically, 10 minutes of direct sun light,3 times per week, will make you feel better, happier, and improve the chemical ballance of the brain.

However, too much sun will cause genetic deterioration and coax the growth of free radicals in the body. This process causes the body's cell to become oxidized. This causes cancer and premature aging.

I don't know if sunlight is "Ki"
It's all in moderation... you can have too much "Ki" and too much sunlight. Especially if it is bad Ki.


O'sensei thought Aiki worked both ways. The same force you use for protecting yourself, loving other and healing yourself and others, can just as easily be used to kill and maim and hate. That's why O'Sensei was selective about who he accepted as a student. You can technically kill some one using Aiki principles.

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Old 06-30-2010, 11:08 AM   #4
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O'sensei thought Aiki worked both ways. The same force you use for protecting yourself, loving other and healing yourself and others, can just as easily be used to kill and maim and hate. That's why O'Sensei was selective about who he accepted as a student. You can technically kill some one using Aiki principles.
And how do you know what O Sensei thought? And how does the ability to "technically kill some one (sic) using Aiki principles (whatever they are)" relate to sunshine?
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Old 06-30-2010, 01:49 PM   #5
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And how can you have sunshine on a cloudy day, anyway???
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Old 06-30-2010, 01:55 PM   #6
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And how can you have sunshine on a cloudy day, anyway???
That's my girl!

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Old 06-30-2010, 01:55 PM   #7
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Re: Does sunshine have Ki in it?

You can have sunshine on a cloudy day if you hang out with "My Girl".

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Old 06-30-2010, 01:58 PM   #8
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Re: Does sunshine have Ki in it?

being meaning to put some solar panels on my hakama. problem is my ass too wide and it keeps blotting out the sun. i am thinking of going for bio-degradable approach, using cabbage and beans, to increase my Ki. i believed O Sensei would approve such approach.
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Old 06-30-2010, 02:04 PM   #9
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Freaky! Re: Does sunshine have Ki in it?

"In my world everyone's a pony, and they all eat rainbows and poop butterflies!"

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Old 06-30-2010, 02:27 PM   #10
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Re: Does sunshine have Ki in it?

Aikido the art of Peace.

Budo is love.

Ki is Sunshine.

Feel the love.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmxSL6H2QEg

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Old 06-30-2010, 03:00 PM   #11
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being meaning to put some solar panels on my hakama. problem is my ass too wide and it keeps blotting out the sun. i am thinking of going for bio-degradable approach, using cabbage and beans, to increase my Ki. i believed O Sensei would approve such approach.
I wonder what OSensei would think of your diet :-)
Is Aikido air :-) ( try your diet )
Ki and sunshine :-)

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Old 06-30-2010, 03:12 PM   #12
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i am thinking of going for bio-degradable approach, using cabbage and beans, to increase my Ki. i believed O Sensei would approve such approach.
Oh yes...I've heard of this. I believe the Aikido technique is called Pootanage, roughly translated as "The Great Wind Throw". It's the most effective no-touch throw, envied by masters all throughout Japanese history.

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Old 06-30-2010, 03:22 PM   #13
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Precisely!! Well said! Joe.
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Old 06-30-2010, 03:27 PM   #14
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being meaning to put some solar panels on my hakama. problem is my ass too wide and it keeps blotting out the sun. i am thinking of going for bio-degradable approach, using cabbage and beans, to increase my Ki. i believed O Sensei would approve such approach.
O sensei might well have approved of your approach however I think you partners would have had strong reservations about your training methods/dietary needs..Of course with such a diet you might well have to spend more time in the rest room than on the tatami.
Is this blog a WIND up? Joe.
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Old 06-30-2010, 03:33 PM   #15
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Oh yes...I've heard of this. I believe the Aikido technique is called Pootanage, roughly translated as "The Great Wind Throw". It's the most effective no-touch throw, envied by masters all throughout Japanese history.
Dear michael,
Does this throw blow away all opposition?Perhaps you could include a clip of this on video for our amusement and edification?
I for one am always on the look out for new waza.Perhaps you should consider a holding a Seminar on this Waza?
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Old 06-30-2010, 04:02 PM   #16
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Dear michael,
Does this throw blow away all opposition?Perhaps you could include a clip of this on video for our amusement and edification?
I for one am always on the look out for new waza.Perhaps you should consider a holding a Seminar on this Waza?
Joe.
have you seen our shihan, the Spleen? http://www.metacafe.com/watch/584770...en_the_spleen/
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Old 06-30-2010, 04:13 PM   #17
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have you seen our shihan, the Spleen? http://www.metacafe.com/watch/584770...en_the_spleen/
Master!! I have found you!!! Hahahahaha! Nice one....Thanks

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Old 06-30-2010, 07:54 PM   #18
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And how do you know what O Sensei thought? And how does the ability to "technically kill some one (sic) using Aiki principles (whatever they are)" relate to sunshine?
He asked is Sunshine was Ki. I don't know if it is or not.

The statement that O'Sensei believed Ki worked both ways is from his biography and from his "Secret Teachings" book,both published by his son and the 2nd Doshu. I highly suggest picking them up if you haven't, especially the latter, it goes fully in depth about what O'Sensei considered Aiki principles and his thoughts on Ki.
I drew a line saying ki works both ways according to O'Sensei, and Sunshine works both ways according to modern science.

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Old 07-01-2010, 03:54 AM   #19
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The statement that O'Sensei believed Ki worked both ways is from his biography and from his "Secret Teachings" book,both published by his son and the 2nd Doshu. I highly suggest picking them up if you haven't, especially the latter, it goes fully in depth about what O'Sensei considered Aiki principles and his thoughts on Ki.
Thank you, I own them. But that is still the interpretation of Kisshomaru, the Great Reformer.
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Old 07-01-2010, 07:32 AM   #20
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Re: Does sunshine have Ki in it?

Sunshine's just radiation. It causes life, which has Ki in it. There might be some forms of life that don't need a sun, so Ki might be seperate.

Isn't there a science fiction book that brings up the idea of the 'Universal will to become' ??

That might be Ki ? Perhaps it was a massive dose of Ki, that started the Big Bang?
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Old 07-01-2010, 10:22 AM   #21
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Thank you, I own them. But that is still the interpretation of Kisshomaru, the Great Reformer.
Well I'm Aikikai and post war Aikido. So I'm inclined to believe all the Doshu just because I was brought up under the Aikikai

I understand the concerns of the prewar schools however.

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Well I'm Aikikai and post war Aikido. So I'm inclined to believe all the Doshu just because I was brought up under the Aikikai
While this is, of course, great, it doesn't mean just because you are Aikikai you must believe what Doshu (or whoever) says. Critical thinking works wonders.

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Not concerns, but facts. And in most occasions well documented.
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Old 07-01-2010, 10:51 AM   #23
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While this is, of course, great, it doesn't mean just because you are Aikikai you must believe what Doshu (or whoever) says. Critical thinking works wonders.

Not concerns, but facts. And in most occasions well documented.
Frankly, at this step in my Aikido I recognize that my teachers and the Doshu know more than I do. I'm still trying to learn Aikido.
I don't feel I've advanced enough to question with any good opinion yet. I don't like to make stone-hard opinions until I feel I have enough knowledge to do so. Until then I ask questions of people who obviously know more than me.

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Old 07-01-2010, 06:03 PM   #24
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Frankly, at this step in my Aikido I recognize that my teachers and the Doshu know more than I do. I'm still trying to learn Aikido.
That's great. And true. They know more than you (or I) do. And that's not necessarily what they are transmitting.

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I don't feel I've advanced enough to question with any good opinion yet. I don't like to make stone-hard opinions until I feel I have enough knowledge to do so. Until then I ask questions of people who obviously know more than me.
Well, you are making several if not many stone-hard assertions in this forum since long ago. And seriously, people like the Saitos, Tomiki, Mochizuki, Shioda, Chiba... even Tohei... and then Pranin, Amdur... they obviously know more than you too, and they all agree in that Kisshomaru changed the rules of the game.
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Frankly, at this step in my Aikido I recognize that my teachers and the Doshu know more than I do. I'm still trying to learn Aikido.
I don't feel I've advanced enough to question with any good opinion yet. I don't like to make stone-hard opinions until I feel I have enough knowledge to do so. Until then I ask questions of people who obviously know more than me.
That's funny, because in another thread, you stated that you did have enough knowledge.

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I'm aware of what he did. And I'm aware of what he said.

The quote is a warning to people who care too much about rank.
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That's great. And true. They know more than you (or I) do. And that's not necessarily what they are transmitting.

Well, you are making several if not many stone-hard assertions in this forum since long ago. And seriously, people like the Saitos, Tomiki, Mochizuki, Shioda, Chiba... even Tohei... and then Pranin, Amdur... they obviously know more than you too, and they all agree in that Kisshomaru changed the rules of the game.
I would listen to Alejandro Villanueva. You can go to Aikido Journal and get all the back issues on DVD to read. I think getting an online subscription might even get you that DVD for free (used to be a special and I'm not sure it's still there). There are a lot of articles and interviews regarding how "history" was changed by the son.
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