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Chiburi
12-13-2005, 01:57 PM
Okay, so i'm up for Shodan in a few days, and i want a replacement yokomenuchi technique. I already have yoko. kotegaeshi, kokyunage, saiyudo(sp?), and shihonage. If feel like an idiot for blanking out on responses to the yokomenuchi attack.
Any ideas?

aikidoc
12-13-2005, 02:06 PM
Iriminage, kaitennage, sumi-otoshi, ude-hiji nage, ikkyo-gokyo, sokomen iriminage, koshi-nage, etc. You should be able to do any technique off any attack.

Sayiyudo? Perhaps you are thinking of the exercise sayo undo (undo is an exercise). Some people for some reason add nage to it and make it a technique. Never could figure that one out-I have never seen it in any aikikai or other official document as a technique. In Tohei's book (I think it was This is Aikido), he shows it simply as an exercise. Many splinter groups off the ki society have turned it into a technique.

James Young
12-13-2005, 02:41 PM
Perhaps you are thinking of the exercise sayo undo (undo is an exercise). Some people for some reason add nage to it and make it a technique. Never could figure that one out-I have never seen it in any aikikai or other official document as a technique.

Sayu-nage as I have seen it performed is just called kokyu-nage at (aikikai) honbu. It's not a unique technique all, just a unique name for the same technique used by certain groups. As John said the name was likely derived from sayu-undo. I guess since so many throws are called kokyu-nage, calling that type of kokyu-nage sayu-nage instead is a little more descriptive. But then again sayu just means left-right so it's not all that meaningful in my opinion.

roosvelt
12-13-2005, 03:51 PM
Okay, so i'm up for Shodan in a few days, and i want a replacement yokomenuchi technique. I already have yoko. kotegaeshi, kokyunage, saiyudo(sp?), and shihonage. If feel like an idiot for blanking out on responses to the yokomenuchi attack.
Any ideas?

Is your dojo Ki-society style?

Faith Hansen
12-13-2005, 04:48 PM
My dojo uses Sayonage. We are not Ki Society but have lineage from Tohei. We aren't affiliated with one of the "big" groups. My question is why does it seem odd for it to be used as a technique? Are there some criteria for technique set in stone that I am unaware of? The exercises that Tohei came up with (Aiki Taiso) mostly generate into techinque. And if it works (sayonage) why not use it? Why limit your Aikido to a set group of standard techniques? Eh?

Faith Hansen
12-13-2005, 04:51 PM
As for ideas: Makiatoshi, Hijiotoshi. Plus the others mentioned.

RebeccaM
12-13-2005, 05:39 PM
Anything that can be done off of tsuki can be done from yokomenuchi. That should help broaden your horizons.

As far as a fifth technique goes, well any one of the basic five (ikkyo, nikkyo, etc.) are cricket and maybe even expected. Iriminage is one of my favorites. Kaitenage also works, though it's not something I usually think of which is why I kinda had to fudge it on my last grading (and it probably showed...). You can also do a couple different kokyu-hos or maybe a sumiotoshi if you're feeling flashy, but basics are best so it might be best if you go back to your old testing requirements and pick a technique from there.

Chiburi
12-14-2005, 12:05 AM
Thank you!
I'll go with yokomenuchi nikyo.
I wonder why it didn't occur to me... :freaky:
I am unfamiliar with half of the names, I've never heard of them.
I am a student of Pierce Sensei, Seikikai Aikido, or Seikikai Kaikan, in answer to a previous post.
As for the "saiyundo" throw, I don't think it's just an exercise...you can do it off of practically any attack...
I'll try to find a good description, I've never been good at that sort of thing...
I guess it could be described as the equivalent of an elbow under the chin of uke, except your arm is straight, and you have uke in a position where you don't even use any force to throw.

Faith Hansen
12-14-2005, 05:34 AM
Sayonage: elbow comes in then arm opens like flower, center drops.

roosvelt
12-14-2005, 08:55 AM
Thank you!
I'll go with yokomenuchi nikyo.
I wonder why it didn't occur to me... :freaky:
I am unfamiliar with half of the names, I've never heard of them.
I am a student of Pierce Sensei, Seikikai Aikido, or Seikikai Kaikan, in answer to a previous post.
As for the "saiyundo" throw, I don't think it's just an exercise...you can do it off of practically any attack...
I'll try to find a good description, I've never been good at that sort of thing...
I guess it could be described as the equivalent of an elbow under the chin of uke, except your arm is straight, and you have uke in a position where you don't even use any force to throw.

I guess you've found the answer.

I asked about your style because I know that ki style dojo don't do break-fall. Some technique can't be done like kaitennage, sumi-otoshi, jijunage, koshi-nage and Udegarame saefly.

Chiburi
12-14-2005, 12:08 PM
Thanks!
Yea, my nerves are a little shakey, as always. I'll just try to keep zanshin, and do the techniques like I do them in class.

happysod
12-14-2005, 12:21 PM
Amanda,

Good luck, no breaking any uke and have some fun on the day - you should be fine.

OTI asked about your style because I know that ki style dojo don't do break-fall. Some technique can't be done like kaitennage, sumi-otoshi, jijunage, koshi-nage and Udegarame saefly. sorry, but stuff & nonsense - sumi-otoshi I'll give you as it's not taught as a standard so some may not practice it, but no break-fall?! (and yes I'm including the happy slappy jujitsu or judo version)

RebeccaM
12-14-2005, 12:38 PM
Except for koshinage and ude-garame you can do anything on that list without taking a breakfall. I've also seen ude-garame/been thrown into a ude-garame where tori releases uke's arms so they can take a roll. KInda surprising since I came from a dojo where you weren't given the option of rolling out of ude-garame. You had to breakfall, and that's why you didn't learn the technique until you knew how to breakfall.

odudog
12-14-2005, 01:42 PM
Don't forget that you can a lot of shime and hijiate off of yokomenuchi.

Chiburi
12-14-2005, 11:28 PM
Most of the techniques tuaght at my dojo have the option of break-fall versus roll. Barring such throws off of attacks like maegeri, and the funny kokyunage throw where you "pull" uke down backwards by his shoulders.
Two days to go.
I'm bouncing from nerves to anger, to no-mind, to anticipation, excitement, and back to nerves. It's like a never-ending cycle. Yesterday, when I was introduced to another student at my high school, I put him through the ikkyo-nikyo-sankyo-yonkyo cycle. Poor guy. Looked at me like I was crazy.
...it was good practice though.