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Michael Varin
08-27-2011, 11:25 PM
Wow.

Anderson Silva is very impressive.

I never thought too highly of Ushin Okami, but Silva's perceptive abilities are truly impressive.

I think that aikidoists would be well served to observe Silva vs. Okami, and try to experience exactly where Silva takes himself when he gets in that state.

There is a shift.

There is absolutely no fear.

Richard Stevens
08-28-2011, 01:58 PM
I definitely agree. The fight is a must see. Silva's ability to completely and utterly dominate his opponents is amazing. He is simply on another level. Honesty, I gave Okami little chance coming into the fight, but I didn't think Silva was going to so thoroughly dominate him.

Gorgeous George
08-28-2011, 05:39 PM
I've long since given up all hope of a Japanese fighter doing well in the UFC.

You'd think they'd be well-represented...I guess.

A great fight: I agree.

jester
08-28-2011, 06:52 PM
Silva dominated him in their first match-up also. I haven't seen the last fight but I could have predicted the outcome.

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Gorgeous George
08-28-2011, 10:07 PM
Silva dominated him in their first match-up also. I haven't seen the last fight but I could have predicted the outcome.

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But then, Okami was meant to have changed/improved a hell of a lot in the interim - training with Chael Sonnen, for example, who talked up his chances (no surprises there).

As I say: I had no hope for him, as i'm yet to see a Japanese fighter do well in the UFC. Akiyama - another highly regarded middleweight - got absolutely smashed by Belfort at the last UFC event.

Richard Stevens
08-29-2011, 01:30 AM
I've always wondered how Sakuraba would have fared if he had competed in the UFC during his prime.

ryback
08-29-2011, 01:34 AM
I think that aikidoists would be well served to observe Silva vs. Okami, and try to experience exactly where Silva takes himself when he gets in that state.

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Hi Michael! I have a question:why would aikidoists be well served to watch something like that? This is an honest question, not me trying to be a smart-ass...I'm really asking.

grondahl
08-29-2011, 02:35 AM
Hi Michael! I have a question:why would aikidoists be well served to watch something like that? This is an honest question, not me trying to be a smart-ass...I'm really asking.

Because the level of awase, irimi and control that Anderson Silva displays is a pleasure to watch.

ryback
08-29-2011, 04:19 AM
Because the level of awase, irimi and control that Anderson Silva displays is a pleasure to watch.

Ok, i see your point of view. I consider martial arts totally different from dynamic fighting sports and i don't watch these kinds of sports, so i've never seen him in action. I've watched only some training he did with Steven Seagal sensei. In my opinion, anything that would benefit an aikidoist lies within aikido, but i wanted to see the perspective of somebody with different opinion. Thank you for your response.

grondahl
08-29-2011, 04:39 AM
Ok, i see your point of view. I consider martial arts totally different from dynamic fighting sports and i don't watch these kinds of sports, so i've never seen him in action. I've watched only some training he did with Steven Seagal sensei. In my opinion, anything that would benefit an aikidoist lies within aikido, but i wanted to see the perspective of somebody with different opinion. Thank you for your response.

You should watch the second round against Okami. Silva stands with his guard down, inviting Okami to attack, then counterpunch him. Itīs almost like Nishio-style kihon waza.

chillzATL
08-29-2011, 08:34 AM
I've said it before, but it would be interesting to see just how slow a fight seems to him in action.

Richard Stevens
08-29-2011, 08:55 AM
In my opinion, anything that would benefit an aikidoist lies within aikido

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but that seems a bit close minded.

Rob Watson
08-29-2011, 11:46 AM
Because the level of awase, irimi and control that Anderson Silva displays is a pleasure to watch.

Maai even moreso ...

phitruong
08-29-2011, 04:32 PM
so what are we suppose to look for? be impressed by an uneven match? or the nice tights that they were wearing?

Gorgeous George
08-29-2011, 05:09 PM
so what are we suppose to look for? be impressed by an uneven match? or the nice tights that they were wearing?

Well, I guess we're meant to be impressed by how it was uneven - in spite of the fact that this is the best opponent that could be offered; kind of like how we're impressed by how O'sensei was superior to all those other people.

I think they were wearing shorts - as opposed to white pyjamas. ;)

ryback
08-30-2011, 04:02 AM
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but that seems a bit close minded.

Perhaps you are right, but the way i see aikido is as a complete training system to learn a martial art and everything you need to learn aikido, in my opinion, are offered in an aikido dojo. I know that other people have other opinions on that, so maybe i am a little close minded when it comes to that, but that's the way i see it...

jester
08-30-2011, 09:31 AM
Perhaps you are right, but the way i see aikido is as a complete training system to learn a martial art and everything you need to learn aikido, in my opinion, are offered in an aikido dojo. I know that other people have other opinions on that, so maybe i am a little close minded when it comes to that, but that's the way i see it...

Wait till someone tackles you! :crazy:

ryback
08-30-2011, 09:52 AM
Wait till someone tackles you! :crazy:

What do you mean?

jester
08-30-2011, 10:04 AM
What do you mean?

If you somehow end up on the ground, Dojo Aikido won't be of much use.

ryback
08-30-2011, 10:37 AM
If you somehow end up on the ground, Dojo Aikido won't be of much use.

Is that so? How do you know it hasn't already happened to me? There is no "dojo aikido", we train in the dojo and the actual application happens of course at the random time of an attack. So you say that in that case, you would rather use experience achieved by...watching UFC. Ok, fine by me. I prefer using my aikido training. Is just a matter of personal...preferance.

jester
08-30-2011, 11:41 AM
Is that so? How do you know it hasn't already happened to me? There is no "dojo aikido", we train in the dojo and the actual application happens of course at the random time of an attack. So you say that in that case, you would rather use experience achieved by...watching UFC. Ok, fine by me. I prefer using my aikido training. Is just a matter of personal...preferance.

You mentioned: "everything you need to learn aikido, in my opinion, are offered in an aikido dojo".

Dojo Aikido Right?? So when this happened to you, what Aikido Technique did you use? What did your attacked do to you? Did he just look at you and let you get up? Did he kick you in the face? Did he stick a knee in your chest and pummel your face?

Judging from your responses, you seem to be trolling for some type of debate.

Who said anything about learning MMA from the TV?? I trained in BJJ and Judo.

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Richard Stevens
08-30-2011, 12:17 PM
Is that so? How do you know it hasn't already happened to me? There is no "dojo aikido", we train in the dojo and the actual application happens of course at the random time of an attack. So you say that in that case, you would rather use experience achieved by...watching UFC. Ok, fine by me. I prefer using my aikido training. Is just a matter of personal...preferance.

Logical fallacy does not exist in this dojo!

I've run into this close minded attitude from time to time. Thankfully it seems to be the exception to the rule. I would suggest throwing on some shorts and a t-shirt, heading to a local high-school and putting your Aikido to the test against a decent wrestler. Maybe your end-all-be-all dojo Aikido will prevail. Or maybe reality will set in as an 17 year old rag dolls you. Who knows?