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Old 03-09-2006, 03:07 PM   #26
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Re: how many times have you gotten hurt?

Nothing more than bumps, bruises, sprains and scratches directly from Aikido practice, although I have severely aggravated pre-existing injuries numerous times. Just comes with the territory. Nothing even close to the things that happened to me in TKD, when I was much younger, but also more stupid. I was a walking pile of scar tissue. My nickname was "Puzzle Man" because I was constantly getting myself put back together again. Still paying for it some 20 years later.

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Old 03-09-2006, 08:03 PM   #27
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Re: how many times have you gotten hurt?

one sprained foot from someone landing on it and one partially separated shoulder from a bad fall (the latter totally my fault), both at brown belt level.

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Old 03-09-2006, 08:39 PM   #28
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Re: how many times have you gotten hurt?

here's a question. How many of these injuries have happened on crowded vs non crowded mats? Obviously crowded mats run the risk of people being thrown into each other, but also people trying to adjust their ukemi mid flight to avoid same.

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Old 03-09-2006, 09:09 PM   #29
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Re: how many times have you gotten hurt?

i havnt gotten hurt yet *knock on wood* my gf did... she was suppose to throw her legs out from under her but i guess one got stuck and she landed on it.. ended up breaking some bone in her foot

once her foots all better we're gonna start stretching every morning and working on our overall fitness
its been about 2 months now and shes almost able to walk on it again... figure another couple weeks and she can start walking... then maybe a month or so use it like normal but hey im no doc so *shrugs*

besides i figure we can work on stretching everyday and get to the point that instead of taking ukemi our body just turns to rubber and we can just stand there... lol jk

thanks for all the replies =)

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Old 03-09-2006, 10:42 PM   #30
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Re: how many times have you gotten hurt?

I've been training about six years and I've never had anything more major than mat burn, slightly strained wrists and knees. Nothing that kept me off the mat for more than a day or two.

I believe that severe injuries (one that keep people out of training) are a sign of a poorly run dojo. There is no need for people to get hurt on a regular basis - it is the job of the sensei and senior students to keep people safe by watching their interactions and attitudes and being good role models.

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Old 03-10-2006, 12:58 AM   #31
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Re: how many times have you gotten hurt?

Separated the AC joint in my right shoulder a few months in. I didn't do it in class but at work attempting a kneeling roll

A couple of broken toes, mostly from getting caught between the mats. Mat burns, small cuts, jammed thumbs, head bumps and general achiness are all par for the course.

The most long lasting injury I've had happened when I was kneeling on one knee with my toes in what we would call "live" position, when a rather large fellow landed on my heel. Doctor said I overstretched the ligaments and would probably get arthritis. That was almost two years ago and I've got an appointment for next week to see a podiatrist because the pain has recently come back with a vengeance

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Old 03-10-2006, 07:00 AM   #32
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Re: how many times have you gotten hurt?

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I believe that severe injuries (one that keep people out of training) are a sign of a poorly run dojo. There is no need for people to get hurt on a regular basis - it is the job of the sensei and senior students to keep people safe by watching their interactions and attitudes and being good role models.
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Old 03-10-2006, 07:13 AM   #33
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Re: how many times have you gotten hurt?

You see it is funny. I never actually gotten hurt on the matts in my dojo. You see i was given a gift of falling gracefully, now sometimes it hurts when i go down and am put in an arm lock, but as far as getting hurt from the fall almost never. But when i am training with my freind in his basement there is no mercy, and sometimes i get hurt.
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Old 03-10-2006, 03:17 PM   #34
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Re: how many times have you gotten hurt?

Which brings up the question, what is the acceptable level of injurys for a dojo?
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Old 03-10-2006, 03:58 PM   #35
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Re: how many times have you gotten hurt?

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besides i figure we can work on stretching everyday and get to the point that instead of taking ukemi our body just turns to rubber and we can just stand there... lol jk

QUOTE]

A real good way for you to experience the joys of having Sensei change the technique to something that Will make you fall. I walked out of an iriminage once and ended up pinned in yonkyo.

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Old 03-10-2006, 04:17 PM   #36
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Which brings up the question, what is the acceptable level of injurys for a dojo?
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Seems like you'd have to take it on a case-by-case basis. Although I've been hurt severely enough to take me off the mat for a little while over a half-dozen times, only once would I say that it was due to someone else.

Seems like it'd have a lot to do with the group. I visited a dojo once where injuries were very common. They didn't spend more than five minutes on breakfalls. But, they all seemed happy. LOL. I wouldn't get on that mat for anything.

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Old 03-10-2006, 04:44 PM   #37
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Re: how many times have you gotten hurt?

crunched my shoulder, but was back in a couple of weeks. knee sprain and peroneal tendonitis in my ankle, but that's just part of the training.
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Old 03-12-2006, 06:09 PM   #38
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Not counting bangs, bruises, sprains and scrapes, I've only actually been injured in the aikido dojo once. A fellow student applied kote mawashi too quickly, and my wrist basically came apart. Not a lot of fun, but it comes with the territory.
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Old 03-12-2006, 09:43 PM   #39
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Re: how many times have you gotten hurt?

a fellow did the technique where they almost go into seiza at the last moment at your feet. i was slow in diving over him and my foot was left behind. it was somehow twisted. later, that ankle was pretty swollen. that was over a year ago. i couldn't do tenkan smoothely for several months and now i still feel it occasionally. i still don't know what exactly is going on inside there.

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Old 03-13-2006, 04:22 AM   #40
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Re: how many times have you gotten hurt?

Isn't it interesting how the majority of injuries seem to occur in the person taking ukemi?

My theory is that ukemi skills are not sufficiently encouraged in many dojo, leading to a mindset that "throwing people is the fun part" and "ukemi is a necessary evil". As a result, people work a lot on perfecting their techniques and very little on improving their ukemi.

I have had numerous disagreements with instructors about why this is allowed to happen. They say that they have to encourage beginners to come back, so they prefer to teach them techniques as they believe that beginners will not be so motivated by learning ukemi...

Personally I think that learning to fly is fun! When I started Aikido classes I was always very impressed by those students who could take good ukemi. Never thought I'd ever be able to do it myself though Those who were good at applying technique did not impress me so much, as I thought that would be easier to learn

More than 14 years later, I haven't changed my opinions a lot, although I now know that both ukemi and nagemi are difficult to learn well!

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Old 03-13-2006, 04:25 AM   #41
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Ruth, I couldnt agree more with you. Excellent post.

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Old 03-13-2006, 05:46 AM   #42
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Re: how many times have you gotten hurt?

Yes, most of the injuries I've seen have been injuries to uke, but I went through about a year where I kept getting hurt as nage. It was usually something like twisting my back the wrong way, but as a result I can easily imagine a situation in which injuries were 50/50 nage/uke. I wonder if it's because ukes tend to be too passive, just going along for the ride.

By the way, I also enjoy learning ukemi, and think it's the most practical part of aikido, in terms of what it will do for your safety in daily life. I mean, how often are you going to face a knife-weilding attacker, versus how often you're going to take a spill on a patch of ice or trip over something?
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Old 03-13-2006, 07:17 AM   #43
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Ruth, I couldnt agree more with you. Excellent post.
Cheers Nick!

Reckon I should continue arguing with all those instructors then

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Old 03-13-2006, 12:45 PM   #44
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I pulled a muscle once doing stretches at home, but have never been badly hurt on the mat in three years of training. My Head Instructor is *very* safety-conscious, and though she frustrates me sometimes (I want to learn more breakfalls!) I do appreciate the results.

I did take one ukemi onto my head and shoulder that I'm surprised didn't break my collarbone. But apparently despite my age I have pretty solid bones--here's hoping they stay that way. SInce then I have worked hard on the skill of tucking into a tight ball and rolling when dropped straight downwards, and have managed to avoid landing that way a second time.

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Old 03-13-2006, 01:17 PM   #45
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Isn't it interesting how the majority of injuries seem to occur in the person taking ukemi?

My theory is that ukemi skills are not sufficiently encouraged in many dojo, leading to a mindset that "throwing people is the fun part" and "ukemi is a necessary evil". As a result, people work a lot on perfecting their techniques and very little on improving their ukemi.

I have had numerous disagreements with instructors about why this is allowed to happen. They say that they have to encourage beginners to come back, so they prefer to teach them techniques as they believe that beginners will not be so motivated by learning ukemi...

Personally I think that learning to fly is fun! When I started Aikido classes I was always very impressed by those students who could take good ukemi. Never thought I'd ever be able to do it myself though Those who were good at applying technique did not impress me so much, as I thought that would be easier to learn

More than 14 years later, I haven't changed my opinions a lot, although I now know that both ukemi and nagemi are difficult to learn well!

Ruth (numerous injures all caused by poor ukemi skills on my part)
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Old 03-13-2006, 01:50 PM   #46
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Re: how many times have you gotten hurt?

My worst aikido injury was a re-broken rib.
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Old 03-13-2006, 02:24 PM   #47
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During class I often have more fun getting thrown then doing the throwing
Me too!!!!

I don't have the best ukemi in the world, but I am still working on it. Most of my (minor) injuries have been as uke, but the busted nose, I was nage. Ikkyo ura, elbow in the nose. Ouch! Ma'ai is VERY important, people!

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Old 03-13-2006, 02:32 PM   #48
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Ok, gotta ask...how did you originally break it?

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Old 03-13-2006, 04:33 PM   #49
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Re: how many times have you gotten hurt?

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Isn't it interesting how the majority of injuries seem to occur in the person taking ukemi?

My theory is that ukemi skills are not sufficiently encouraged in many dojo, leading to a mindset that "throwing people is the fun part" and "ukemi is a necessary evil". As a result, people work a lot on perfecting their techniques and very little on improving their ukemi.

I have had numerous disagreements with instructors about why this is allowed to happen. They say that they have to encourage beginners to come back, so they prefer to teach them techniques as they believe that beginners will not be so motivated by learning ukemi...

Personally I think that learning to fly is fun! When I started Aikido classes I was always very impressed by those students who could take good ukemi. Never thought I'd ever be able to do it myself though Those who were good at applying technique did not impress me so much, as I thought that would be easier to learn

More than 14 years later, I haven't changed my opinions a lot, although I now know that both ukemi and nagemi are difficult to learn well!

Ruth (numerous injures all caused by poor ukemi skills on my part)
Our dojo has actually started a class one day a week that is dedicated entirely to learning how to take better ukemi and become a better uke.

Right now I work on that night and am unable to attend and I hate it.

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Old 03-13-2006, 06:12 PM   #50
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I've never been hurt in Aikido more than a mat burns, minor knee/ankle sprains, bruises and chronic wrist pain due to the locks. I find Aikdio to be pretty safe even when we are going at it. Some Chronic neck pain due to computer work but aggravated by Ukemi. If a sensei hurt a student out of ego or lack of control they shouldn't be a sensei in my book and I would find another dojo.

Muay Thai: Severly sprained and possibly broken foot when I caught an elbow on the top on my ankle (bad technique probably), black eyes and some nice big black bruises. Interesting thing is I never felt the foot it until we stopped sparring and I almost immediately couldn't walk on it.
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