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Old 02-28-2006, 02:58 AM   #1
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Developing the intuition

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This is why Takeda Sensei, O-Sensei, and the other great giants of Japanese martial arts put so much emphasis on developing the intuition.
This is a very good point. The question is - how? Is there any way to develop the intuition, or it is kind of side effect of long term martial practice?
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Old 02-28-2006, 03:03 AM   #2
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Re: Developing the intuition

Randori - lots of randori.

Kata also has a role to be played - but the level of kata training is quite involved.

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Old 02-28-2006, 04:59 AM   #3
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Blindfolded randori...

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Old 02-28-2006, 06:09 AM   #4
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Buy your Sensei a shinai. The wisdom of this will strike you the as you walk through the door of the dojo.
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Old 02-28-2006, 08:07 AM   #5
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Re: Developing the intuition

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This is a very good point. The question is - how? Is there any way to develop the intuition, or it is kind of side effect of long term martial practice?
Start by playing simple board (ie checkers, backgammon or chess) and/or card games (ie blackjack).

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Old 02-28-2006, 08:19 AM   #6
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Re: Developing the intuition

IMHO, look back over your life, wasn't there some small voice or feeling that let you know something wasn't a good idea. Start acknowledging and appreciating that. Get rid of the internal duologue that tends to talk you out of think.

Start paying externally focused awareness.

Agree with randori, blindfolded and not. Start slow.

IMHO, intuition is training and automating the awareness-assessment-action pattern.

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Old 02-28-2006, 06:49 PM   #7
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Re: Developing the intuition

They also had great ki extention. Your ki preceeds your strike. They had developed their ki to a point where they could sense your intent. Don't ask me how because I can't tell you... I don't know how!! I try to keep it in mind as I practice and in everyday life. I'm just hoping that one day someone's ki will hit me in the head before thier fist does! :P

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Old 02-28-2006, 07:25 PM   #8
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Re: Developing the intuition

I wonder if the intuition being discussed here is actually more of a subconscious perception. Maybe George Ledyard and Lynn Seiser could weigh in on this further. Often we observe or note certain clues without consciously recognizing them. For example, is it intuition or heightened awareness when the cop goes into the dark warehouse and perceives a potential attack? Is the hair standing up on the back of his neck because of intuition, or is it because he noticed the smell of a cologne, or heard breathing on a less than conscious level? Is it intuition or experience that warns us of an impending attack? Did we see the pupils of the attacker's eyes dialate, or perhaps see him tense his muscles without even realizing what we were seeing?

On the other hand, I remember being taught not to look directly at a subject while maintaining a survillance on him as he would "feel" the observation even at a great distance.

Beyond me, but I know to pay attention to the hairs standing on end - usually a very good warning sign.

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Old 02-28-2006, 07:30 PM   #9
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Re: Developing the intuition

Well, the clichéd phrase of "gut-feeling" isn't too far off what one really means by intuition.

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Old 02-28-2006, 09:25 PM   #10
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Re: Developing the intuition

Yeah, but is a gut feeling precognition or experience? I think it is the latter. I personally don't believe in precognition, but don't entirely discount it either. I've known a couple of folks who had the uncanny ability to forecast events, albeit rather broadly and somewhat in the future. Nothing that would aid someone engaged in combat, but further out in time. I dunno........

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Old 02-28-2006, 09:43 PM   #11
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Re: Developing the intuition

No, it's an actual feeling in your gut. Women who are highly sensitive or "in-tune" can feel this. Maybe that's why they call it "women's intuition".

Oh, and another way of developing intuition is to retreat to the mountains/wilderness for an extended period of time, where you can quieten the mind, live off the land, etc. etc. Down Under, we call it going bush on walkabout.

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Old 02-28-2006, 09:45 PM   #12
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Re: Developing the intuition

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No, it's an actual feeling in your gut.
I always thought that feeling was too much pizza and beer on Saturday nights.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

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Old 02-28-2006, 09:51 PM   #13
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Uh, a nice hot Indian curry dinner could do that too....

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Old 03-01-2006, 04:08 AM   #14
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Re: Developing the intuition

Just the practice of being aware naturally develops intuition. How do you practice being aware? It is like going to a dojo for the first time, you try to watch and do what everyone else is doing. You can also attend a temple or a church of a religion different from your own, or attend a cultural festival or any cultural function and try to blend in. So, I guess what I am trying to say here is, that developing intuition is something you have to do on your own. In gassho
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Old 03-01-2006, 07:45 AM   #15
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Re: Developing the intuition

Funny, I've been thinking about this alot myself as well. I think developing intuition is one of the more advanced skills, developed over many years of practise. Jo work, I believe is helpful because it can be so fast and dynamic. For example I've been practicing around 15 years, but I did a session last week where we could have any jo attack, and boy was it difficult just to avoid 1 attack! I think true intuition just comes from being seriously attacked (in the dojo) time and time again by many people.

I don't practise full time so I doubt I could ever get good at it, but I reckon another 20 years and I'll be a bit better

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Old 03-01-2006, 10:13 AM   #16
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Re: Developing the intuition

In another thread on zanshin development I mentioned a training exercise I had learned and do use to help in this area:

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There is a training technique in expanding awareness that I have been taught and practiced. It goes like this.

Uketachi stands square with a shinai or bokken in gedan (low position to front).

Two Uchitachi stand on either side with shinai or bokken (preferably shinai) held in jodan (high overhead).

Uketachi holds his focus directly to the front at all times, preferably facing a wall some distance away. Uketachi tells both Uchitachi to shift back until uketachi can see that they are there, but cannot see the swords raised over their heads.

Then uchitachi each exchange glances to allow one or the other to strike the chest (mune) of uchitachi with big, wide horizontal cuts. (shinai, I said, or lightly with bokken)

Start slow. Uketachi turns hips strongly to the side of the strike raising to seigan (extended middle position), and then turns hips slightly inside the cut to receive and block it. Then return to front position gedan. Strikes should be random, and uchitachi should not try to hide or feint the cut at all. Cuts can be shortened and speeded up as Uketachi progresses.

Alternatively, if Ukeitachi is not yet prepared or is uncomfortable to block or sweep inside of a strike, then a tenkan on the foot away from the attacker can take them outside the arc of the cut in time with the strike. Get uketachi comfortable with this and then have uketachi begin blocking or sweeping inside with a pivot on both feet in place.

Once this method is learned then you graduate uketachi to receive yokomenuchi with an inside turning block, and then shomenuchi, with a rising vertical sweep (murabashi).
When you get REALLY good, try having them make do cuts to your back ...

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Old 03-01-2006, 11:51 AM   #17
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Re: Developing the intuition

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I wonder if the intuition being discussed here is actually more of a subconscious perception. Maybe George Ledyard and Lynn Seiser could weigh in on this further.
Already weighed in.

Yes, IMHO, its subconscious perceptions. I was taught that ESP is actually extra sensitive perception. It educating the mind to sort awareness a certain way and then turning it over to the unconscious. Its like writing code for computers where the processing of information its not visible, only the conclusion. Many people's intuition is trained (mistrained) by trauma leaving the intuition to be fear based.

Sorry, I personally don't believe in a lot of magic, just personal experience and conditioning.

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Old 03-01-2006, 05:57 PM   #18
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Re: Developing the intuition

I read a story once about a security guard who was on night shift doing vehicle patrols. He was driving on a road about 200m away from passing through a green light at an intersection and before he reached the intersection he said that his body tensed up as if it was being hit by an object that he couldn't see. He said that it didn't hurt him but he wasn't sure what had happened so he stopped the vehicle and pulled over before he crossed the intersection. As he pulled over a car traveling at about 150km an hour went straight through the intersection and if he hadn't of pulled over then he would have been struck by this vehicle and most probably been killed instantly.

Now he hadn't had any training in anything whether it be martial arts or meditation or what, but I believe this incident didn't come from the minds perception of what was going to happen or conditioning that he had. I believe the body as a hole (not the mind as a single entity separate from the body) in some way can intuit and feel what is happening around it and in some cases what is going to happen. I believe physics is at the point were they can just about scientifically prove that this sort of thing is real.

I do believe that there is some sort of "Ki" in the world that actually connects everyone in it to each other and all other living beings and it is this "Ki" that allows us to intuit events such as I stated above.

This is only my thoughts on the matter and I am sure that people have different opinions.

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Old 03-01-2006, 06:21 PM   #19
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I do believe that there is some sort of "Ki" in the world that actually connects everyone in it to each other and all other living beings and it is this "Ki" that allows us to intuit events such as I stated above.
Following this vein of thought, although it may drift off topic a little and I'm not sure if I would say 'Ki' is the right word, what about identical twins where one twin is in California and gets shot in the shoulder and the other twin in New York gets a sharp pain in her shoulder at the same identical time?

I read of many such cases, normally between family members (even twins seperated at birth), where there does seem to be a type of psychic connection that bonds them?

Just something else to think about.

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Old 03-01-2006, 10:39 PM   #20
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Hey Michael,

Sorry what I mean is energy. There is a common energy that connects us all. Twins obviously have a stronger connection with the energy that connects them.

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