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Old 02-25-2006, 10:11 PM   #1
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Taichi and Aikido

Does anyone think that practicing Taichi will help my Aikido?

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Old 02-25-2006, 11:25 PM   #2
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Re: Taichi and Aikido

I practice Tai Chi and Qigong. I like to believe that they compliment my aikido quite a bit. but, thats for you to decide, not me.


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Old 02-26-2006, 03:00 AM   #3
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Re: Taichi and Aikido

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Does anyone think that practicing Taichi will help my Aikido?
Not as much as practicing more Aikido would... (Although it shares some aspects of the art so the best idea is to try it out and see for yourself)
 
Old 02-26-2006, 09:42 AM   #4
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Re: Taichi and Aikido

My tai chi practice definitly helps my aikido. Of course my tai chi teacher is my aikido sensei so he does tend encourage us to find the similarities in both arts.In my threee years of training I am getting a glimmer of how a tai chi application can be integrated into aiki technique, if needed.

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Old 02-26-2006, 11:01 AM   #5
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Does anyone think that practicing Taichi will help my Aikido?
IMHO, while cross-training can support and compliment, it can never replace. Therefore, the same principles you hope to learn in Tai Chi, may better be learned withing the state-specific context of Aikido training.

OTOH, if you are training to cross-train, which I am a great fan of, than train on.

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Old 02-26-2006, 04:49 PM   #6
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Re: Taichi and Aikido

Thanks for the opinions and advice.
Obviously the time I spend in Taichi is that much less time doing Aikido, which in theory can subtract from the Aikido.

I saw the similarities between Taichi and Aikido as soon as I started Aikido. I have been teaching Doshinkan Aikido here at the Parks Dept. For those of you not familair with it, the simple answer is that Doshinkan is essentially Yoshinkan. I was teaching Shumatsu Dosa, and someone looking in thought it was a Taichi class.

I'm actually going to be taking over the Taichi class at the same rec center. So I have to spend more time practicing that. I will have to work it into my personal Aikido time.

I have read where instructors have said that Taichi helped improve thier Karate and other arts. I never knew anyone that did both Taichi and Aikido.

Thanks again.

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Old 02-26-2006, 11:25 PM   #7
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The following site might be of interest.

http://www.santarosaaikido.com/sugawara.html
 
Old 02-27-2006, 12:44 AM   #8
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Practicing aikido will help your aikido.
 
Old 02-27-2006, 03:29 AM   #9
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Re: Taichi and Aikido

I used to study Tai Chi alongside Aikido, did so for almost 3 years. I think that there is a lot of common ground between them, and that they do help each other to a point. I eventually came to th econclusion that I would have to choose between them though, and for me Aikido was my choice.

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Old 02-27-2006, 05:50 AM   #10
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Practicing aikido will help your aikido.
Actually, I've found that often to not be the case at times.

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Old 02-27-2006, 06:04 AM   #11
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Practicing aikido will help your aikido.
Haven't practiced tai chi yet, but from common sense standpoint, when one feels stuck with X, whatever that X is, just doing more X doesn't usually help.
This approach looks like more of a frontal linear attack on the problem, as an opposite to "blend, and redirect". We're in Aikido, aren't we?

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Old 02-27-2006, 08:12 AM   #12
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I think doing aikido initially helps you to understand tai-chi and to feel the movement better. Since doing a little tai-chi I've also found my balance has improved (there is a fair bit of standing on one leg). Also, its interesting to see how similar many of the techniques are.

Practically, I dount if it will improve the way you do aikido techniques, just the way you understand them.

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Old 08-05-2006, 04:23 PM   #13
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Practically, I dount if it will improve the way you do aikido techniques, just the way you understand them.
Just following up on this old post.
The above statement turned out to be very true. I don't think that my Aikido is better because of doing Taichi. But I do have a better understanding and a whole different view of Aikido.

The similarity in not only technique, but basic principles has me looking at Aikido as essentially Japanese Taichi. The comparison between our Aikido (Yoshinkan) and our Taichi (Ba Men) is much like comparing different flavors of Aikido. They are more similar than different.

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Old 08-05-2006, 06:31 PM   #14
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Any discussion of Taichi and Aikido should mention Suguara Sensei who has written two or three books comparing Japanese and Chinese arts and has developed several Aikido Taichi forms.

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Old 08-05-2006, 08:05 PM   #15
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Does anyone think that practicing Taichi will help my Aikido?
If you do real Taiji with qi and jin in the movements it will help real Aikido that has ki and kokyu in the movements, but if you do bogus "Tai Chi" as a "form" it will not help your Aikido, particularly if your Aikido doesn't have ki and kokyu in it.

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Old 08-05-2006, 08:27 PM   #16
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Does anyone think that practicing Taichi will help my Aikido?
Yes, and also vice versa.

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Old 08-05-2006, 10:22 PM   #17
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http://www.sugawarabudo.com/sbudo_about.html

Sugawara and Xing. Aikido and Chinese Martial Arts. Volume 1: Its Fundamental Relations
 
Old 08-05-2006, 10:42 PM   #18
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Re: Taichi and Aikido

I'm looking into the work of Sugawara Sensei.

I do "real Aikido", Yohsinkan, with Kokyu and my Taichi (Ba Men) is more than just forms.

What I like more than anything is how I feel after Taichi practice. Aikido leaves my knees swollen and aching, but I like the training. After Taichi I always feel really good - no joint pains. So Taichi a couple days a week gets me beneficial training that helps my Aikido with less trauma to the joints and saves wear and tear on my knees.

It's a great combination.

Thanks for al lyour valued input.

Jim Mc Coy
 
Old 08-05-2006, 11:15 PM   #19
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I do "real Aikido", Yohsinkan, with Kokyu and my Taichi (Ba Men) is more than just forms.
Jim, I agree that tai chi is a great complement for aikido. I'm not familiar with ba men style, but I've done 24 Step and some Chen for many years. Both aikido and tai chi enhance my life and I think that's good. But maybe even more complementary than tai chi is baguazhang. Have you tried any of that?

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Old 08-05-2006, 11:52 PM   #20
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If you do real Taiji with qi and jin in the movements it will help real Aikido that has ki and kokyu in the movements, but if you do bogus "Tai Chi" as a "form" it will not help your Aikido, particularly if your Aikido doesn't have ki and kokyu in it.
I'm confused. Wouldn't bogus Tai Chi help bogus Aikido by preventing you from becoming suspicious that something might be missing? This would ensure your continued enjoyment of bogus Aikido - which would only be jeopardized by 'real Taiji'. Or . . . maybe I'm confused about what bogus Aikido's goal might be.

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I'm confused. Wouldn't bogus Tai Chi help bogus Aikido by preventing you from becoming suspicious that something might be missing?
You're taking the negative connotation of "help", Chhi'med. Bogus Taiji doesnt "help" bogus Aikido get any better.

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Old 08-06-2006, 07:52 AM   #22
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I do "real Aikido", Yohsinkan, with Kokyu and my Taichi (Ba Men) is more than just forms.
I've never heard of Ba Men (Eight Gates) Taiji. It's not one of the recognized traditional styles.

Regards,

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Old 08-06-2006, 10:40 AM   #23
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Try doing your aikido waza without a partner except do it far slower then you'll get the jist! All martial arts have common roots how the hell to defend yourself in time of need! there is so much bull out there its just incredible!
 
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Sorry, just had to get it of my chest!
 
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Try doing your aikido waza without a partner except do it far slower then you'll get the jist! All martial arts have common roots how the hell to defend yourself in time of need! there is so much bull out there its just incredible!
Absolutely correct on the slowing down of Aikido waza ( connect the techniques together in a constant flow) and the bull.
Wait for it, here comes the bull.

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