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Old 02-09-2006, 03:53 AM   #1
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Doing nothing

Another thread which you lot have being over so many times, but here we go.

At the moment I am not training for my next grading. I have been told by my Sensei that I need to look as if Iam doing nothing when I am training, this will help me when I start to train for it.

All I have to say at this point in time is HELP

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Old 02-09-2006, 04:48 AM   #2
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Re: Doing nothing

I think he/she means motion approaching stillness. Better yet, ask your Sensei what he/she means...

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Old 02-09-2006, 04:54 AM   #3
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Re: Doing nothing

Cheers for that. I know what he means, I just can't do it and was wondering if someone had some magic way of being able to do it.

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Old 02-09-2006, 08:39 AM   #4
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Re: Doing nothing

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All I have to say at this point in time is HELP
Stay relaxed.

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Old 02-09-2006, 11:06 AM   #5
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Re: Doing nothing

Quote:
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Cheers for that. I know what he means, I just can't do it and was wondering if someone had some magic way of being able to do it.
There is no magic! as Lynn said, stay relaxed. your sensei has given you a paradox 'do nothing' truth is often in the seemingly impossible.

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Old 02-09-2006, 11:30 AM   #6
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Re: Doing nothing

I just got through C.M. Shifflett's book, "Ki in Aikido: A Sampler of Ki Excercises" and on page 90, there is an excercise in doing nothing. Basically in the excercise you are letting your arm completely do nothing while a partner supports it and/or lifts it and/or lets it go. There is an interesting quote from Koichi Tohei there which reads, "Do nothing! Doing nothing is not the same as 'not doing anything'" Anyway, the excercise is in the "Keep Weight Underside" section of the book and follows the "Relax Completely" section. It might be helpful to check it out. See reviews of the book in Aikiweb's "book reviews" section.
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Old 02-09-2006, 03:27 PM   #7
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Re: Doing nothing

The hardest thing, I think, is "letting go" of the notion of actually doing something, i.e. performing a technique. Staying relaxed allows you to better lead and follow your partner. But ultimately, you will need something in the way of ki and kokyu ability to actually do something without doing anything, especially if uke is not being "co-operative".

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Old 02-09-2006, 07:26 PM   #8
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Re: Doing nothing

Suggestion only.... try to act bored or totally disinterested while doing the technique. I have a picture in my head of a little kid that is being told to do something that he doesn't want to do at all. He mopes around with limp arms not paying attention to the task at all,trying to complete it without using one ounce of energy!!
I also had a senior student tell me that when he finds himself trying too hard, he watches the clock while doing the technique. It's kind of wierd, but it can get you out of your own way!

good luck!!

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Old 02-09-2006, 07:41 PM   #9
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Re: Doing nothing

I think the idea is to "connect" yourself and "connect" with uke. Watching the clock sounds too much like "dis-connecting", or dis-embodying one's self, which at some level you do - i.e. watching yourself from the outside. Maybe that's not what is meant?

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Old 02-10-2006, 07:32 AM   #10
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Re: Doing nothing

Good advice here. Do what you tell me. Look bored. Like uke is beneath you trying to put them down and just go through the mechanics.

They're all screaming about the rock n roll, but I would say that it's getting old. - REFUSED.
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Old 02-10-2006, 08:17 AM   #11
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Re: Doing nothing

I tend to agree with you Ignatius...the saying is "the mind leads the ki"...if your mind is not engaged, it will change the results. Negatively, in my opinion.

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I think the idea is to "connect" yourself and "connect" with uke. Watching the clock sounds too much like "dis-connecting", or dis-embodying one's self, which at some level you do - i.e. watching yourself from the outside. Maybe that's not what is meant?

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Old 02-11-2006, 10:51 AM   #12
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Re: Doing nothing

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All I have to say at this point in time is HELP
I'd suggest to change a dojo as fast as possible.It looks not healthy at all.

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Old 02-11-2006, 11:14 AM   #13
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Re: Doing nothing

Ask yourself this question about every motion in your technique - "is this motion really necessary? is this amount of force or torque really necessary?" A lot of times people add more to a technique than it really needs.

Learning to do more with less is essential for randori.

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Old 02-11-2006, 11:27 AM   #14
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Re: Doing nothing

"Look bored. Like uke is beneath you trying to put them down and just go through the mechanics."

Brilliant!!! maybe an attacker will lose interest and go away... no intention... therefore no aikido or effectiveness...

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Old 02-11-2006, 12:10 PM   #15
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Re: Doing nothing



I wish you were my sensei Edwin.

They're all screaming about the rock n roll, but I would say that it's getting old. - REFUSED.
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Old 02-11-2006, 12:12 PM   #16
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Re: Doing nothing

Granted... ready for your lesson?

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Old 02-11-2006, 12:20 PM   #17
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Re: Doing nothing

Next time im in North Carolina, after visiting Jacksonville, Your dojo will be my next stop!

They're all screaming about the rock n roll, but I would say that it's getting old. - REFUSED.
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Old 02-11-2006, 12:22 PM   #18
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don't worry i work the cyber dojo just as well...

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Old 02-12-2006, 06:19 AM   #19
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Re: Doing nothing

Thanks, but no. Sorry, but cyber is just a little freaky for me. Theres no substitute for the real deal. Like I said, If Im ever around NC and you are in a dojo by that time, then I'll call by to train

They're all screaming about the rock n roll, but I would say that it's getting old. - REFUSED.
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Old 02-12-2006, 07:01 AM   #20
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Re: Doing nothing

Also, I would have liked to add this yesterday, but this PC is sometimes crippled with pop ups

There is a difference between looking bored and being bored. It is deception, it is a tactic. It does not mean that one lacks intention, or that one can not be effective. It is merely a psychological tool. If someone was attacking you, it would not be wise to look scared (if you could possibly help it) and it would not be wise to let your attacker see your intent. Someone who appears completely unrattled and unbothered is by far the more formiddable opponent. Your mileage may vary...

They're all screaming about the rock n roll, but I would say that it's getting old. - REFUSED.
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Old 02-12-2006, 11:32 AM   #21
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Re: Doing nothing

so instead of worrying about whether you look bored or not, focus on doing the waza technically correct...

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Old 02-12-2006, 04:05 PM   #22
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Re: Doing nothing

Or better yet, forget waza entirely and focus on being connected with uke...

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Old 02-12-2006, 05:52 PM   #23
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Re: Doing nothing

Sounds like "chill out" to me.
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Old 02-12-2006, 08:02 PM   #24
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relax harder!

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Old 02-12-2006, 08:14 PM   #25
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Re: Doing nothing

if you do the waza correctly then you must be connected to uke...

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