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Old 01-26-2006, 06:48 AM   #1
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Slapping Boiling Water

I'm just wondering if this is good training or mindless abuse to your palms? I have heard a legend of the iron hand and he trained like this. Boilng water and slapping it for bout 3 hours a day.
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Old 01-26-2006, 06:53 AM   #2
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Re: Slapping Boiling Water

Im sure it would do your nerves a world of good...

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Old 01-26-2006, 06:56 AM   #3
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Re: Slapping Boiling Water

he did for 3 hours every day and when he got home, he was upset becuase a lack of evidence from his training so he slapped the table breaking it into splinters.

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Old 01-26-2006, 06:58 AM   #4
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Re: Slapping Boiling Water

Wow.

They're all screaming about the rock n roll, but I would say that it's getting old. - REFUSED.
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Old 01-26-2006, 07:04 AM   #5
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Evil Eyes Re: Slapping Boiling Water

Nerve damage is the point, damaging the nerves instead of developing calloses also keeps your hands pretty. I don't know about how nessecary it is to use boiling water though, you could just use a sock filled with pebbles. It is good though to dip your hands in some hot water after to open up your blood vessels in you hands. And it works to. Better to use a sock than water also because you can toughen your fist, knife -edge, finger-tips, back fist and palm thrust- not just your slap hands. 15 mins daily should do it.

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Old 01-26-2006, 07:07 AM   #6
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Re: Slapping Boiling Water

Slapping boiling water? He must have been as impatient as I am at getting his boiled eggs out of the pan...

My understanding of iron palm etc is that it needs a combination of toughening exercises in conjunction with various herbal mixtures (whose contents spawn excellent flame wars on various websites) to have any useful effect.

I'd doubt very much that boiling water would have any effect other than to create scar tissue from burns, which, while it would reduce sensitivity in the hand would hardly alter the general makeup in any other way. In short, I'd consider this in the crap myth-making basket and move on.
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Old 01-26-2006, 07:14 AM   #7
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So, Pebbles you say, I have been training my Iron Hand Techniques for about 4 years now and I some pretty nifty results, I used it while training with one of my friends/students, and i used the technique with a Kihai, It strait knocked him down, and ended the sparring session.

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Old 01-26-2006, 07:20 AM   #8
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Evil Eyes Re: Slapping Boiling Water

I did not say "peddles" !

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Old 01-26-2006, 07:23 AM   #9
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lol sorry i'll edit it lol
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Old 01-26-2006, 07:24 AM   #10
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I might start using them, what kind of pebbles?
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Old 01-26-2006, 08:25 AM   #11
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Re: Slapping Boiling Water

IMHO, I have never heard of slapping boiling water imrpoving your Aikido.
Sit silently beside it and watch it cool by itself.

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Old 01-26-2006, 08:34 AM   #12
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Old 01-26-2006, 09:15 AM   #13
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Re: Slapping Boiling Water

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I'm just wondering if this is good training or mindless abuse to your palms? I have heard a legend of the iron hand and he trained like this. Boilng water and slapping it for bout 3 hours a day.
A bit of a waste of hot water and three hours if you ask me.

Much easier to purchase a pouch of Ian's pebbles, I've heard they are very good!

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Old 01-26-2006, 10:37 AM   #14
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I'm just wondering if this is good training or mindless abuse to your palms? I have heard a legend of the iron hand and he trained like this. Boilng water and slapping it for bout 3 hours a day.
The story I heard was plain regular room tempareture water.
Some version says at the ned he could repel water without tuoching. Some version says he could suck water up. I never heard about boiling water though.
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Old 01-26-2006, 11:49 AM   #15
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Re: Slapping Boiling Water

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A bit of a waste of hot water and three hours if you ask me.

Much easier to purchase a pouch of Ian's pebbles, I've heard they are very good!
No Mark. You don't want to go anywhere near Ian's pebbles, especially if they're contained in a "vibrating latex pouch".

This isn't that kind of forum.

Cheers,

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Old 01-26-2006, 12:08 PM   #16
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Re: Slapping Boiling Water

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No Mark. You don't want to go anywhere near Ian's pebbles, especially if they're contained in a "vibrating latex pouch".

This isn't that kind of forum.

Cheers,

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Aw, it was the vibrating latex bit that I was most looking forward to!

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Old 01-26-2006, 01:10 PM   #17
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Re: Slapping Boiling Water

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I might start using them, what kind of pebbles?
I've also read to use uncooked mung beans. As the beans break down the oil released is supposed to help condition your hands. The beans are replaced with harder and less forgiving media as you progress.

Just what I read somewhere once.

Bronson

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Old 01-26-2006, 01:27 PM   #18
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Re: Slapping Boiling Water

If you're going to slap your hands in boiling water for 3 hours, then you might as well do the dishes while you're at it.

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Old 01-26-2006, 02:12 PM   #19
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Evil Eyes Re: Slapping Boiling Water

Ian, you should do infomercials. And that was funny.

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Old 01-26-2006, 06:04 PM   #20
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Re: Slapping Boiling Water

Well, I decided to try sand in a pouch how bout that?
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Old 01-26-2006, 07:07 PM   #21
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Aw, it was the vibrating latex bit that I was most looking forward to!
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Old 02-02-2006, 06:30 AM   #22
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translation for usess that dont speak scottish
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Old 02-02-2006, 06:43 AM   #23
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use the boiling water to make tea... i think i am detecting the slight odor of trollshido...

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Re: Slapping Boiling Water

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Roosvelt Freeman wrote:
The story I heard was plain regular room tempareture water.
Some version says at the ned he could repel water without tuoching. Some version says he could suck water up. I never heard about boiling water though.
But if you can slap the water hard enough and fast enough to make it boil then you're doing something.

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