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Old 01-26-2006, 11:15 PM   #76
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Re: Shodokan, Tomiki, Aikikai?

Hi Chuck,

Does Jiyushinkai have organized competitions? I'd like to check out that one in NY if I'm in the country at the time.

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Old 01-26-2006, 11:21 PM   #77
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Re: Shodokan, Tomiki, Aikikai?

James, are you telling us that it's not "real life" where ever you're at when you're typing your messages?

I personally have no desire to have discussions of any kind, in real life, or as you say, on the internet with someone that doesn't back up everything he/she says with their own personal honor, integrity, and responsibility. This is a budo discussion site. Budo begins and ends with respect. I suspect that you've shown us your real heart (in real life...).

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Old 01-26-2006, 11:25 PM   #78
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Re: Shodokan, Tomiki, Aikikai?

Larry, Jiyushinkai does not have sport shiai. We have very vigorous and competitive (in the true sense of the word) training but no kyogi activities of any kind. We also have no dojo located in New York. My dojo, the Jiyushinkan, is located in Tempe, Arizona. You're welcome any time to visit and train with us.

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Old 01-26-2006, 11:31 PM   #79
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My real heart? That would only happened on the internet if it was a email or something to a real life friend. However I have noticed that martial arts sites are more personal.
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Old 01-26-2006, 11:32 PM   #80
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Re: Shodokan, Tomiki, Aikikai?

Everyone,

I have just seen James Smith's post in the Techniques forum here... This person is not a member of Jiyushinkai and I am astounded by his attitudes and behavior. It is totally unacceptable to me and our membership.

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Old 01-26-2006, 11:36 PM   #81
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Re: Shodokan, Tomiki, Aikikai?

Thanks for the info and the offer Chuck. Believe me, if I can ever make it to that side of the country I'll definitely pay you a visit.

Thanks for correcting James' faulty info as well for me. I was pretty sure that your group did not engage in shiai, even though you have your own resistance-based training methods from what I understand at least.

Domo Arigato.

LC

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Old 01-26-2006, 11:44 PM   #82
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Chuck Clark you are the head of the Jiyushinkai. So you should not get upset if one of your members or supposed members posts stuff on the internet. Okay I am with the Jiyushinkai or pretending to be. The Jiyushinkai doesn't have competitions so that means that I would have to go to a Shodokan tournament in New York.
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Old 01-27-2006, 12:30 AM   #83
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Re: Shodokan, Tomiki, Aikikai?

well since this seems to be the time and place... James, I'll show you mine if you'll show me your's... I am 41 years old and I train or have trained in a variety of MA including; karate, judo, GJJ, Modern Arnis, Kung Fu and wrestling since about 1980... i hold mostly kyu ranks, but have a dan ranking in Aikido... What about you???

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Old 01-27-2006, 12:35 AM   #84
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19 years old studied Karate when i was 11. It was bull to me so I quit after a month. Just started Aikido I mentioned my crappiness in Aikido earlier in the thread.
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Old 01-27-2006, 12:49 AM   #85
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so basically you know jack??? Do you train at a dojo or club or just read books and forums? Good instruction is light years ahead of any thing you can garner from a book... I started with Yoshinkan Style when I was stationed in Japan in the navy in about 1988... try to understand that there are many different takes on the practice and philosophy of aikido and even within the same organization there may be various "sub-styles" as some people are more martial, and some more spiritual... as a younger person I suggest you would perhaps be more disposed toward a more physical, robust, "street" oriented practice... save the philosophy for us old timers...

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Old 01-27-2006, 12:54 AM   #86
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Yeah I don't know much. My teacher at my dojo is more into the martial. The only time I heard him mention Ki was a joke about something. Philosophy? I have to look over my posts to find out what you mean.
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Old 01-27-2006, 01:19 AM   #87
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well as you have been talking about Tomiki, shodokan, aikikai, judo and such i feel this falls in the philosophical realm... be careful trying to shomen ate a good judoka or you may end up in one of my favorites Kata ha jime... you're basically asking for it from shomen ate... ippon seio nage was what that one lady was saying and thats a good one too... from my perspective judo and aikido are really much the same in principle and a good blending/reconciliation of the two is Very hard to beat... as you train more you will learn that even an old bald guy who doesn't look like much will put your lights out... Never underestimate anyone... or you may get surprised... sorry just a little philosophy...

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Old 01-27-2006, 01:29 AM   #88
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well as you have been talking about Tomiki, shodokan, aikikai, judo and such i feel this falls in the philosophical realm... be careful trying to shomen ate a good judoka or you may end up in one of my favorites Kata ha jime... you're basically asking for it from shomen ate... ippon seio nage was what that one lady was saying and thats a good one too... from my perspective judo and aikido are really much the same in principle and a good blending/reconciliation of the two is Very hard to beat... as you train more you will learn that even an old bald guy who doesn't look like much will put your lights out... Never underestimate anyone... or you may get surprised... sorry just a little philosophy...
Hi Edwin;

The first counter we teach as part of the Shodokan syllabus is to Shomen-ate and yup its like you describe. We call it wakegatame however. The only defense against the counter is to make sure your initial kuzushi is complete and penetrating. Of course we have a counter to the counter but I'll keep that a trade secret.

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Old 01-27-2006, 01:32 AM   #89
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What I know the counter counter it it's G....... nevermind.
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Old 01-27-2006, 01:34 AM   #90
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forget the counter counter you should learn the counter counter counter... ad infinitum... lol

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Old 01-27-2006, 05:32 AM   #91
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Pwned.

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Old 01-27-2006, 08:05 AM   #92
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Re: Shodokan, Tomiki, Aikikai?

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Chuck Clark you are the head of the Jiyushinkai. So you should not get upset if one of your members or supposed members posts stuff on the internet. Okay I am with the Jiyushinkai or pretending to be. The Jiyushinkai doesn't have competitions so that means that I would have to go to a Shodokan tournament in New York.
Sensei Chuck has every right to be upset because of lack of respect. Many others here have also stated their digust at your behaviour and especially for those of us from various schools founded on Tomiki Sensei teachings because whatever differences we have in our practice we all share the deepest respect and love for Tomiki Sensei just ask anyone who actually met him and they will tell you that above all he was a gentlemens gentlemen and you behaviour brings shame to us and our dear Sensei Tomiki.
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Old 01-27-2006, 09:05 AM   #93
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I keep telling you guys that this is the internet I do not act the same way in real life. At least I hope I don't.
There was another poster once who made a big deal about how he was different on the net and in person. My question...why would anyone *choose* to be schizophrenic? He had no choice to be different in person...he couldn't back up what he said on the net in person.

I would never speak to the leader of the style I practice in the manner that you just did. It would probably earn me some really tough ukemi. Deservedly so. I hope you adjust your manner before it comes to that...

Best,
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Old 01-27-2006, 09:35 AM   #94
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Re: Shodokan, Tomiki, Aikikai?

HI Ron,

Since James Smith isn't a member of Jiyushinkai and the dojocho in Texas doesn't know him, I really don't have to deal with him except as we all do as members of aikiweb. They come and go; it's the nature of this form of communication.

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Old 01-27-2006, 09:42 AM   #95
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So, if attacked with a piece of cake (say a Victoria sponge rather than a rock cake) how would a Jiyushinkai deal with it differently to a shodothug? (I'm assuming the subject of James has been sufficiently dealt with...)
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Old 01-27-2006, 09:47 AM   #96
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Understood...

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Old 01-27-2006, 09:52 AM   #97
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Ian,

I'm a bit thick this morning (seems more than usual...) but I don't understand.

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Old 01-27-2006, 10:45 AM   #98
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Chuck,

Just thought I'd try to divert this thread from getting any more about personalities than it already was - sorry for the confusion and the bad monty Python paraphrase

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Old 01-27-2006, 11:26 AM   #99
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Ian,

I do get the reference now that you mentioned it... I'm surely a Monty Python fan, just dense this morning.

I do think this is not about "personalities" though. I think it's about behavior. There are places on the www where anything goes. AikiWeb isn't one of them. Jun provides this site and puts in way more time than most any of us would do and he gets to set the rules... and has done so.

Members of Jiyushinkai have a reputation that is well-earned and this young man doesn't meet the standards with this sort of behavior. Part of my job is to keep our house clean, both inside and outside.

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Old 01-27-2006, 11:44 AM   #100
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monty pythan please feel to correct my spelling.
have you seen the self defence skit about the frui. t

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