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Old 01-04-2006, 08:48 AM   #1
Mike Sigman
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Wang Hai Jun Workshop

I don't have anything to do with this workshop at all, but if anyone in the Boston area is interested in seeing someone with very high level "internal strength", I know that Wang Hai Jun has the credentials. He's a young guy in his thirties, but he's extremely powerful. Interest in internal strength, kokyu, and ki skills for use in Aikido should cross over any worries about "style", etc. At least for one look. Looking and learning from all available sources is what a good martial artist does, IMO:

Wang Hai Jun workshop

Boston, MA
Thursday, March 9 - (Topic to be announced)
Contacts: Herb Rich, phone: (978) 922-0108, email: hr@chentaichifederation.org; Erik Squires, phone: (781) 271-0297, email: erik_squires@hotmail.com; Wei Li, phone: (617) 489-3649, email: xiaolylee@yahoo.com.

Hadley, MA
Friday, March 10, 6:00-9:00pm - Reeling Silk & 18 Movement Form

Springfield, MA
Saturday, March 11, 9:30-4:30 - Learn/Review/Refine:
18 Essential Movement Form and Lao Jia Yilu

Sunday, March 12, 9:30-4:30 - Learn/Review/Refine:
18 Essential Movement Form (beginners); Lao Jia Yilu; Straight Sword; Broad Sword
Contacts: Stan Baker, phone: (860) 836-1068 or Marc Gerstein & Leslie Franks, email: chentaijiacademy@charter.net.
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Old 01-05-2006, 09:39 AM   #2
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Re: Wang Hai Jun Workshop

The silk reeling is something I've been interested in learning...but can you describe the 18 movement form? Is it a typical type of taiji form, or something different?

Thanks,
Ron

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Old 01-05-2006, 09:49 AM   #3
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Re: Wang Hai Jun Workshop

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Ron Tisdale wrote:
The silk reeling is something I've been interested in learning...but can you describe the 18 movement form? Is it a typical type of taiji form, or something different?
Well, notice I didn't say a lot about "learning" anything, Ron. ;^) I don't think you can learn these things at a workshop. Think of the silk-reeling and the 18-movement form (I think that must be Wang's teacher's shortened Chen form) as simply being Aiki-taiso or demonstrations of a series of proper Aikido throws. Learning the movements without a clear and articulate demonstration of how to move the body with kokyu, etc., is of questionable value.

What I was suggesting was for people like Dan Harden who had never seen a good Chinese martial artist with a tremendous amount of power... here's the chance. What's valuable is to see and feel the guy's stuff personally... that's worth one workshop because it gives someone an accurate idea of what a person with real internal strength feels like. Knowing that can help you filter out the noise from stuff that is not representative of correct ki and kokyu practice.

FWIW

Mike
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Old 01-05-2006, 12:31 PM   #4
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Mike Sigman wrote:

What I was suggesting was for people like Dan Harden who had never seen a good Chinese martial artist with a tremendous amount of power... here's the chance. What's valuable is to see and feel the guy's stuff personally... that's worth one workshop because it gives someone an accurate idea of what a person with real internal strength feels like. Knowing that can help you filter out the noise from stuff that is not representative of correct ki and kokyu practice.

FWIW

Mike
Mike,

Thanks for the post. I find this invitation most helpful. Do you think you could keep us informed of others worth investigating around the nation? I think Ellis has really sparked something worth investigating. I would enjoy the opportunity to meet others that exemplify high level skill in internal Chinese Martial arts.

All the Best,
Stephen Kotev

P.S. I live in the D.C. area. Any suggestions?
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Old 01-05-2006, 01:01 PM   #5
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Do you think you could keep us informed of others worth investigating around the nation? I think Ellis has really sparked something worth investigating. I would enjoy the opportunity to meet others that exemplify high level skill in internal Chinese Martial arts.
Hi Stephen:

Well, bearing in mind that I'm only suggesting someone go maybe once, just to get an appraisal of the look and feel of someone with very good power and skill, I'll try to mention the maybe 2 or 3 I feel safe about, whenever someone sends me their seminar routes. Sure. Happy to. Seeing extraordinary power that is not stiff and which doesn't use the shoulders is a heck of an insight and helped me discount a lot of people who were not quite top level.
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P.S. I live in the D.C. area. Any suggestions?
Heh... it's really tempting to say "Move", but....

Frankly, I'm at a weird stage in my life where I've put out a lot of time and energy just getting what little I know and I don't think I would have even started if I'd known how scarce the information really is. There's probably less than a handful of people (that I know of... there could be others) that would be worth studying from for "real" martial arts with ki, kokyu, etc. D.C. doesn't have anyone **that I know of** so I don't have any recommendations. Sorry.

Regards,

Mike
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Old 01-05-2006, 01:32 PM   #6
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Mike Sigman wrote:
Hi Stephen:

Well, bearing in mind that I'm only suggesting someone go maybe once, just to get an appraisal of the look and feel of someone with very good power and skill, I'll try to mention the maybe 2 or 3 I feel safe about, whenever someone sends me their seminar routes. Sure. Happy to. Seeing extraordinary power that is not stiff and which doesn't use the shoulders is a heck of an insight and helped me discount a lot of people who were not quite top level. Heh... it's really tempting to say "Move", but....

Frankly, I'm at a weird stage in my life where I've put out a lot of time and energy just getting what little I know and I don't think I would have even started if I'd known how scarce the information really is. There's probably less than a handful of people (that I know of... there could be others) that would be worth studying from for "real" martial arts with ki, kokyu, etc. D.C. doesn't have anyone **that I know of** so I don't have any recommendations. Sorry.

Regards,

Mike
Mike,

Thanks for your response. I have spent countless hours plowing through the replies to Ellis's blogs on AJ. The stuff is really interesting but very frustrating. It's so hard to tell what the heck everyone is really talking about. Semantics and terminology are far inferior to actual physical experience. I wish I was able to actually visit these folks and feel their stuff personally.

I do what I can. Thankfully, Ellis comes to the area often so I get to train with him then. I was just interested in possibly expanding my network by querying you.


Thanks again and please do post the itineraries of those you would recommend observing.

All the Best,
Stephen

P.S. check your pm's
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Old 05-09-2011, 09:58 AM   #7
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Re: Wang Hai Jun Workshop

This is an old thread, but to chime in...

I've made deshi stays at a few spots in the US, practiced for ten years now, and taken ukemi from around a half dozen of O sensei's direct students (including Chiba, Yamada, Sugano) and as many of their students as I can. I've been a martial arts student and teacher since I was 8 - kinda raised at a martial arts school when my dad bailed early on. That having been said, I have a ton, TON to learn, and am still new to the practice...But if I may, as a student of Master Wang Hai Jun since about 2002... he's absolutely, absolutely worth seeing in person. Tai Chi was the only art I didn't take martially seriously until I met him. Now it is one of the few I do.

That's all I'll say about that.
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Old 05-09-2011, 09:26 PM   #8
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Re: Wang Hai Jun Workshop

Does he still do open seminars?
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Old 05-10-2011, 07:57 PM   #9
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Re: Wang Hai Jun Workshop

wang hai jun

summer camp in june

check it out

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