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Old 11-05-2006, 10:06 AM   #26
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Re: Two teachers...

We are free to visit other dojos. Actually, it is encouraged. But if we wanted to train regularly at another dojo as well, then we would have to let our instructor know.
Come to think of it, sometime last year our instructor told a few of us that as soon as we get ranked, we should begin exploring another martial art as well.

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Old 11-05-2006, 07:08 PM   #27
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Re: Two teachers...

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You can only serve one master!
"Serve"? "Master"?

Since when did we start using words like that to describe our relationship with our sensei?
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Old 11-06-2006, 11:06 AM   #28
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Re: Two teachers...

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Devon Natario wrote:
Their excuse is the following,
1. "You can only serve one master!"
2. "Once you get a base, then that's fine, but not until you have a solid foundation."
3. "You may get confused with learning different things, from different people."
etc etc

Honestly, I've done it all my life and I have never had an issue with learning and I have never had an issue with serveing two masters. To be honest I serve one master, and that's the Lord.
A few weeks ago I encouraged one of my students to visit Edinburgh where Yamada Shihan was teaching a weekend course, I did so despite the fact that we're a ki-aikido dojo. Had I been able to I would have gone myself.

My own Sensei knows full well that from time to time I visit other dojo and he doesn't mind. I think he knows that he's my 'teacher' and always will be.

Having said all of that I'd have to say that the two of the above quoted 'excuses' for asking a student not to train at another dojo are most definitely NOT 'excuses' but rather very good reasons for not training regularly at another dojo (except for No 1 which is just dumb). One of my white belt students went and trained at another dojo and cam back thoroughly confused, he couldn't remember what he was supposed to do when I asked him to do it. The result being that he is unlikely to be able to grade for his first belt when everyone else in the dojo does.

You may say thats fine but I doubt he'll be able to grade at the other dojo either which basically just leaves him confused and having made little progress, which is shame because before he went to the other club he was getting on really well. I don't mind that he went there, and if he prefers what they do to what I do, then thats fine by me, but he can't expect to be learning from me and be submitted for assessment by me when my teacher visits if I know he's just going to get muddled when the time comes (which makes him and me look bad).

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Mike

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Old 11-07-2006, 05:59 AM   #29
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Re: Two teachers...

I would tell my sensei if only because he's in charge of my progress and health, and he should know of any serious variants, like injuries, or training somewhere else.

Also, it allows you to bring questions you have due to conflicting ideas or teachings and confront your sensei with them!
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Old 11-08-2006, 12:46 AM   #30
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Re: Two teachers...

If I may stuick my head in so someone may cut it off ....

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.... I think Dirk touched on part of my problem which is picking a base dojo .... I have the opportunity to train at the NY Akikai HQ because I'm down in the city part of the week but the rest of the time I'm up in the Southern CT area so I have to decide which to make my base.
In addition to all the other comments that have been added, it really comes down to your schedule and how often you will be where, also what's easiest for you. Where do you live, CT or the city? I'd make the closest one my base for convenience.
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Old 11-08-2006, 03:13 AM   #31
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Luckily for me, the other dojo I train at is run by Sensei Gwynne Jones who is my Sensei's Sensei. So it's helpful for me as I am learning almost exactly the same style, but as Gwynne Jones developed the Shin-Gi-Tai style he has a wide knowledge of all Aikido and he can add in bits of Ki Aikido and Aikikai without confusing.
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Old 11-08-2006, 07:06 AM   #32
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Luckily for me, the other dojo I train at is run by Sensei Gwynne Jones
Hello Jacob,

I saw a demonstration by Gwynne Jones Sensei a few years back while I still lived in the westcountry, it looked really nice

A polite enquiry, I'm just curious as to his 8th Dan, and please don't interpret this as a pointed comment in any way (as so often happens with the subject of rank).Do you know who awarded it and when? I'm assuming that the 8th Dan was awarded by his own organisation, the Shingitai, would that be right? Or does shingitai have links to another organisation that I'm simply unaware of.

To tell the truth I'm actually more interested in the when than the who, I saw him do a demo in 1997/98 (I think) and he was advertised as 6th Dan at the time.

Thanks in advance.

Mike

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Old 11-08-2006, 11:36 AM   #33
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Hi Mike!

I have only been with the society for a few months, and have only recently met him. I'm certain that he is 8th Dan, but I cannot confirm when he was awarded with it and who gave it to him. I expect it was in the last couple of years, but I have an old video of his, easily 10+ years old I'd have thought, which advertises him as 6th Dan. I'll try and remember to ask next week and get back to you about when/who!

The society's website doesn't offer much, but he has been training since 1961! I'd expect in 45 years it's possible to acquire that grade, given all that he has done for Aikido.

It's incredible to see him train, every Sunday after class he takes two students and puts them through 340 moves (everything up to 4th Dan except weapons, I think). It's incredible to see him move like that at his age!

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A quick google finds:

Quote:
Gwynne Jones promoted to 8th Dan

It is with great pleasure that I would like to add to the shin-gi-tai history by congratulating Gwynne Jones on recieveing his 8th Dan on 29 August 2003. It is well deserved for a life time of Aikido study and Teaching.
SHIHAN AWARDS

Also on the date above, Sensei Gwynne Jones has been awarded the title Shihan and from that time onwards he should be refered to as Shihan Gwynne Jones.
source: http://www.communigate.co.uk/herts/n...ai/page1.phtml

It seems that it is the society that awarded it to him, int August 2003. I wonder how you come to those kinds of decisions where you award people grades that are above your head? intriguing. I heard he is the highest graded in Britain however, although it could be joint with others!

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Old 11-08-2006, 12:54 PM   #34
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Re: Two teachers...

Thanks very much for that Jacob

I did enjoy the demo I saw him do back then, was fun.

As to the highest graded in Britain, well thats a tricky one really and there are other threads here on Aikiweb about that, I'll leave you and the search function to find them

Thanks again

Mike

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Old 11-16-2006, 03:53 PM   #35
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Re: Two teachers...

I asked the other day about who awarded it to him. It actually turns out that it was the British Aikido Board who awarded it to him. I'm not sure about the exact circumstances, but I believe he was 6th Dan for longer than he was 7th.
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