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Old 11-03-2010, 07:12 AM   #51
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Re: BJJ shows weakness in this street fight

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At my school we have been training aikido techniques against fully resisting opponents for over three years and have only had one injury during that time.

The direction this thread has taken has given us another great opportunity to explore where aikido's techniques fit into the spectrum of martial arts.
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Regarding RANDORI.

Training Aikido techniques against resisting opponents is not Randori. It should be called simply Resistance Kata training.

Randori is FREE-play. However, a set of rules still need to be set up to ensure safety & authenticity (preserving the essence of Aikido).

Can you come up with a set of rules that can ensure safety & authenticity while being easily enforced by a referee?? How would a referee detect the presence of Aiki in a technique that has just been executed?? The presence of Aiki can only be testified by the Uke.

Aikido techniques are not only about those joint locks that we use. Aikido is the art of receiving, yielding & blending with the opponent's energy, causing him to over-extend his posture & break his balance.

Can this strategy be detected by the referee?? Only Tori & Uke will know.

Regarding Aikido as a Martial Art.

In my opinion, Aikido is only about 20%Physical Techniques,
30% Mental Development, while 50% Philosophcal & Spiritual.

Aikido's place in the Martial Arts is only about 50% (20% + 30%).
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Old 11-03-2010, 10:47 AM   #52
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Regarding Aikido as a Martial Art.

In my opinion, Aikido is only about 20%Physical Techniques,
30% Mental Development, while 50% Philosophcal & Spiritual.
That makes a degenerate and considering the importance of the in the physical, mental and philosophical-spiritual aspects of aikido...

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Old 11-03-2010, 11:08 AM   #53
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In my opinion, Aikido is only about 20%Physical Techniques, 30% Mental Development, while 50% Philosophcal & Spiritual.
Certainly not in Flintstone Ryu.
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Old 11-03-2010, 11:29 AM   #54
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Certainly not in Flintstone Ryu.

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Old 11-03-2010, 11:54 AM   #55
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Old 11-03-2010, 12:30 PM   #56
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I prefer Yabba Dabba Do
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Old 11-03-2010, 12:45 PM   #57
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judo chop technique. if do right... no can defend.
"What Happen?"
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Old 11-03-2010, 12:55 PM   #58
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Sorry, I enjoyed your quip, s'all.

Take care.

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Old 11-03-2010, 03:24 PM   #59
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Sorry, I enjoyed your quip, s'all.

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No problemo, bro. Stay cool.
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Old 11-04-2010, 03:39 AM   #60
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Regarding RANDORI.

Training Aikido techniques against resisting opponents is not Randori. It should be called simply Resistance Kata training.

Randori is FREE-play. However, a set of rules still need to be set up to ensure safety & authenticity (preserving the essence of Aikido).

Can you come up with a set of rules that can ensure safety & authenticity while being easily enforced by a referee?? How would a referee detect the presence of Aiki in a technique that has just been executed?? The presence of Aiki can only be testified by the Uke.

Aikido techniques are not only about those joint locks that we use. Aikido is the art of receiving, yielding & blending with the opponent's energy, causing him to over-extend his posture & break his balance.

Can this strategy be detected by the referee?? Only Tori & Uke will know.


You really need to read posts in the context of the thread. It eliminates the need for unnecessary explanation.

Obviously, I am not talking about training single techniques with uke blocking them and nage forcing through. That is not martially effective and it is not aiki.

I am talking about dropping the uke/nage roles and giving each partner a goal to achieve while stopping the the other partner(s) from achieving their objectives.

I'm not sure why you are concerned with a referee. The vast majority of my training has been outside the presence of a referee and has still been very useful.

It's not difficult to come up with rule sets that allow for this to occur.

Not that it matters for the exercises that I was describing, but once you are acquainted with aiki you can easily see it occur.

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"Through aiki we can feel the mind of the enemy who comes to attack and are thus able to respond immediately." - M. Mochizuki
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Old 11-04-2010, 05:17 AM   #61
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I suppose it is through dedicated & consistent meditation. The same path towards Spiritual Enlightenment.

Bear in mind that Aikido is a very spiritual Budo system. One should never ignore the spiritual emphasis in Aikido, or it would just be the tip of the iceberg we are scrapping.
Bear in mind that Aikido's idea of Budo could be possibly adulterated with ultraright Japanese politics. What does 'love and peace' mean considering these political motivations?

Unless stated otherwise, all wisdom, follies, harshness, malice that may spring up from my writing are attributable only to me.
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Old 11-04-2010, 10:31 AM   #62
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You really need to read posts in the context of the thread. It eliminates the need for unnecessary explanation.

Obviously, I am not talking about training single techniques with uke blocking them and nage forcing through. That is not martially effective and it is not aiki.

I am talking about dropping the uke/nage roles and giving each partner a goal to achieve while stopping the the other partner(s) from achieving their objectives.

I'm not sure why you are concerned with a referee. The vast majority of my training has been outside the presence of a referee and has still been very useful.

It's not difficult to come up with rule sets that allow for this to occur.

Not that it matters for the exercises that I was describing, but once you are acquainted with aiki you can easily see it occur.
Here is an example of training we do. I'm not refereeing as much as serving as a control measure.

I define the constraints in order acheive the training objectives and ensure safety, however, it is non-compliant and they are free to pretty much do what they want in order to "win".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-rZAR6DH20

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Old 12-11-2010, 01:46 PM   #63
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Kevin, I always enjoy your dose of practicality you add to posts. Considering your background I value your insights and take what you say on board.

As for the OP. Maybe knives were not apparent initally, from what I understand, the knives come out in the last moment to gain the element of surprise.
A guy who used to teach Philipino (sp?) stick/knife fighting and who is now retired, used to say "When confronted with a knife, use what ever you can as a barrier against the knife and get out of there as soon as possible." So ripping off your jacket and wrapping about your arm as a shield, throwing a garbage can lid at your opponent, anything as a distraction to get out.
Knives are fast and take little effort on the attacker's behalf to do harm.

Yes, having a good awareness would help to establish where you are at. So aikido randori is useful, provided it is done honestly with a sense of urgency.

My brother was ambushed many years ago (attempted mugging). He was studying a Jujutsu style at the time and he did as Kevin suggested, he took the fight to his two assailants and came out of it OK, but mentally messed up. His training saved him. He was lucky and I think the attack wasn't thought out that well.

Scary stuff.

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