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Old 05-19-2005, 08:18 AM   #26
Dan Herak
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Re: Can women defend themselves?

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we're not talking about fighting. We're talking about Self Defense. The two are not the same thing.
This is exactly what I thought when I first came upon this thread. If the question who wins in a flat out punchfest with teeth knocked out, concussions and broken bones, then women will generally do poorly against most men. But if your concern is not to hurt the other person but just get out alive, that is another thing altogether. In many situations a simple tenkan or irimi movement may be enough to get out of the assailant's immediate line of attack and give one the second needed to run like hell. Of course this will not work all the time but it demonstrates the significant difference between fighting and self-defense.

Also, one of the more powerful uses of martial arts training is not necessarily the techniques per se , but the conditioning of training, such as being used to strikes coming at your face and the development of a mentality aware of dangers. If someone found him/herself in a rough situation and let out an ear piercing kiai to startle the assailant for just a moment and then used the moment to pick up a rock, throw it in the person's face and then run fast, well maybe there were no fancy martial arts techniques used. But maybe also the person being assaulted would not have thought to do that but for the training. In that instance, I would say the person did use their martial arts training for self-defense even if not manifested in a technical way recognized in the dojo.
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Old 05-19-2005, 08:27 AM   #27
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Re: Can women defend themselves?

IMHO, yes women can defend themselves and do so quite nicely.

And yes, in my experience of treating rape victims and rapist, compliance and fear only feed the power and control ego. Fighting back anyway possible seems to be the only hope.

I am that bigger male. Too often, both men and women, think that because of my size they have to give me more, which plays into my advantage. Focus through me and be gentle. I have a problem with that on and off the mat.

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Old 05-19-2005, 09:08 AM   #28
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Re: Can women defend themselves?

Rather than worrying about men being bigger than women, which is only true in the aggregate, it would seem more useful to ask "How does a small person deal with a bigger one?" Most of us, of both genders, will be that smaller person in *some* interaction and it's good to know how to cope.

I'm taller and heavier than several of my male partners, but they don't let this discourage them...I don't see why I should either. (I'm a medium-sized person, which is nice because any given group of aikidoka usually offers me both bigger and smaller partners.)

I think that aikido training gives me tools which will help me defend myself if I need to, even though I'm not confident I could produce an actual technique. When we started practicing chokes from behind I was absolutely freaked to be grabbed that way. I struck a deal with the biggest guy in class: we'd grab each other from behind at random times during pre-class warmups. Now it's "Okay, he's got me again" followed by a practiced response.

A policewoman who had just come out of a fight with three college boys told me that in her experience, knowing you may get hit and accepting it calmly improves your chances greatly. I certainly started out being very afraid of being hit, and that's improved a lot. Took an atemi to the face at a seminar recently--ouch, but I didn't have any difficulty continuing.

(That particular woman was a good demonstration of how useless the generalizations about male and female capacities are. She was a big, strong, not very agile, highly aggressive person. People had tried to teach her evasion-based self-defense but she did a lot better with strength training.)

Mary Kaye
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Old 05-19-2005, 02:22 PM   #29
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Re: Can women defend themselves?

hi Mary.
I have been in aikido since i was eight and i find it very useful in defending myself. i recently started a new martial art back in september (as i have stated in other threads) and when i started i was already ahead of the game due to my aikido training. I am still a white belt in this martial art (shaolin in case ur wondering) and i have taken on grown men of higher rank and won. I find that aikido really helps w/my agility during fighting and also the speed w/my hands .

It all depends on how aggressive u are. I have also learned that u cant be afraid of anyone b/c if u are then they will easily overcome u. Take these things into consideration and u will find that women are just as good as men when it comes to martial arts. (Or any aspect for that matter)

Hope this helps you
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Old 05-19-2005, 06:57 PM   #30
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"I think that aikido training gives me tools which will help me defend myself if I need to, even though I'm not confident I could produce an actual technique."

Hey Mary. IMHO in the first part of this statement you answered your own question, you just need to remove the "I think" part and replace it with "I know". Thats what its all about, your belief that your aikido training gives you the tools to defend yourself puts you ahead on the street. The other part of this statement is something that you need to work on within yourself. Your confidence, the belief in yourself, is the backbone of your technique. Paige hit it right on the button, you shouldn't be afraid, make fear one of your tools. Accept it and it will help you. Sorry for sounding like a preacher . As for producing an actual technique, let the technique produce itself. You are not the one to determine what technique comes out, the attacker is the one who determines the technique. The one thing you need to remember is to Keep It Simple. This is law in self defense. Use what works. I don't mean to ramble or sound like a know it all, cuz I don't. I just become concerned when gender becomes an issue in self defense. I hope you find clarity.

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Old 05-19-2005, 08:43 PM   #31
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Ye all of little faith, women can defend themselves. Just take a look at the clip below...



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Old 05-19-2005, 09:02 PM   #32
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Ye all of little faith, women can defend themselves. Just take a look at the clip below...
That was a brilliant bridge suplex.
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Old 05-20-2005, 02:02 AM   #33
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That was a brilliant bridge sup-lex.
Actually Hori-san,

I have seen this done in my dojo before. Please note, this tech is not of standard Yoshinkan syllabus. This is how it happened...

Uke and Shite were suppose to perform shomenuchi sokumen iriminage. Shite is a diminutive woman and Uke is a heavy built man twice Shite's weight. Shite couldn't perform sokumen iriminage / gyakugamae-ate, no matter how much she tried. Uke smirked.

Then, along came adjutant sensei. He asked Uke to strike shomenuchi and then purposely resist the gyakugamae-ate technique. Uke does what adjutant sensei asked him to do. When Uke resist, adjutant sensei suddenly moved to ushiro position and from there, grabbing both Uke's thighs, lifted him up and stopped at about to perform the Ura Nage.

Uke was utterly shocked. Then adjutant sensei said, "It is easy to resist when you know in advance what the other party is going to do. It is a different story altogether when he does not". But hey, this does not stop me from trying to test people out once in a while when the mood strikes me .

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Old 05-20-2005, 02:19 AM   #34
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Boon, thanks for that clip That was the best

Bronson

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Old 05-20-2005, 05:22 AM   #35
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LOL!

Just curious - what is the translation for the piece? I'm curious what's being sold.

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Old 05-20-2005, 06:21 AM   #36
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Some good stuff here. Lorien, I understand heartattack (never been too good with abbreviations, I hate damn "txt talk" ).

Frenzys always a good thing I think. I remember hearing/reading some fighting/SD advice from someone, they were joking but it rings true. Basically went like-"Cover your balls, start screaming and shouting random things and swing like a mad man". Thats going to scare a few people and at least put some more focussed attackers off for a split second. A good kiai/scream/shout/all-out-metal-roar in someones face is not to be underestimated. An attacker invades your personal space, you do the same to theirs. Assault them, their space and their senses. Just might keep you alive...

They're all screaming about the rock n roll, but I would say that it's getting old. - REFUSED.
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Old 05-20-2005, 06:26 AM   #37
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Hehe. That woman owned that guys ass and then handed it to him.

They're all screaming about the rock n roll, but I would say that it's getting old. - REFUSED.
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Old 05-20-2005, 06:29 AM   #38
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Re: Can women defend themselves?

http://www.geoffthompson.com/guest_w...arke_page4.htm

Hope no one minds me posting this from Geoff Thompsons website.

I'm sure Geoff won't mind if we learn from Liz experience.

D

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Old 05-20-2005, 10:56 PM   #39
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Re: Can women defend themselves?

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LOL!

Just curious - what is the translation for the piece? I'm curious what's being sold.
Dave...the clip is for a popular magazine in Japan. It's call "Monthly Boys Magazine" I think would be the translation.

The end of the clip, before the red text says something like "You never know what might happen next. and then something about finding out every month".

Sorry...should know better, but I'll have to ask or maybe someone else can help out.

cheers,

--Michael

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