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Old 05-03-2005, 11:54 PM   #1
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My sensei insists on a strong kiai for every technique. The problem is I;m 13 and my voice cracks constantly. It's not embarassing, just...annoying! WHat should I do? Tell sensei? Just wait it out? Feedback, please, it's much appreciated.

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Old 05-04-2005, 12:54 AM   #2
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Just let your voice crack! Everyone's been through that, don't worry =)
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Old 05-04-2005, 01:39 AM   #3
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Kiai. It is a good way of creating a technique. If you don't do it now, you will get in the habit of not doing it, and I believe that that will limit your Aikido in some way.

As Chris said...we all have been there. It won't last forever ... really

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Old 05-04-2005, 07:45 AM   #4
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Re: kiai

My advice? Enjoy it -- and pay attention to how weird it can get

Kiai or KWATZ!

I think the "breaking kiai" might actually be more effective at disarming someone than a "standard" kiai -- much more surprising.


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Old 05-04-2005, 09:47 AM   #5
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guess what? I'm 13 too my voice is not craking that much, but try making you kiai a little lower and a strong cracking kiai is enough to make me drop my jo! (short staff)
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Old 05-04-2005, 10:26 AM   #6
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Re: kiai

The Reason for Kiai is to put forth your intent, the actual sound makes no differance.

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Old 05-04-2005, 10:28 AM   #7
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Re: kiai

guess you're right, and I may try suprizing sum1 in rondouri (sp?)
ADDED: What would be the scarriest kiai you've ever heard. Mine is when this new uchi-deshi stayed for about a month and he launched himself at someone in rondouri and it sounded like "RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!" and sensi jumped about a foot in the air!

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Old 05-04-2005, 10:33 AM   #8
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I agree. Start trying to kiai now so that later you will already have that custom of doing it. It has been explained to me that aside from getting a "deer in the headlights" look from uke, the kiai is to help unify the muscles into one big movement...or something to that effect. So as far as i know that is the goal of the kiai to begin with. And besides (and like others have already pointed out) we are used to a deep kiai....but a loud, cracking one?!?
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Old 05-04-2005, 11:04 AM   #9
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Re: kiai

About a few weeks ago, our Isshin-ryu teacher went over proper kiai when performing a strike. When he did so he pointed out that it makes the strikes quicker and it also serves to "suprise" an unsuspecting opponent...for example, in our dojo we spar using padded practice swords and we usually partner up and go at if for a while. Well, the other day I was sparring with another guy from our dojo and I did a really strong kiai that scared him half to death as I entered to cut. This kiai allowed me to open him and move in quickly with power to execute my desired intent....This being said, I don't believe it really matters if you voice cracks when you are performing this (it in no way hinders the kiai, it probably actually helps the "catching off guard and attention" factor) so I'd say just keep going at it.

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Old 05-04-2005, 10:25 PM   #10
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thanx for the advice!

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Old 05-05-2005, 12:46 PM   #11
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The first time I heard my sensei kiai, I was sitting in seiza. I jumped about half a foot of the ground from seiza! A good kiai is a [u]very[u] good thing to have!

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Old 05-05-2005, 01:01 PM   #12
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Do it from the stomach, I had that kind of problem in the cadets trying to shout orders at people.
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Old 05-05-2005, 04:23 PM   #13
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Do it from the stomach, I had that kind of problem in the cadets trying to shout orders at people.
You mean the cracking? Lol, that had to be funny! Oh, and Burt, isn't the bo the short staff?

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Old 05-06-2005, 12:48 AM   #14
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My sensei insists on a strong kiai for every technique. The problem is I;m 13 and my voice cracks constantly. It's not embarassing, just...annoying! WHat should I do? Tell sensei? Just wait it out? Feedback, please, it's much appreciated.
Hi James,

You can tell him that you are studying the most advanced aspect of kiai - the silent kiai. This is not a joke, either! If you are interested and write me privately, I will share with you some practical methods for developing this as part of your training.


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Old 05-06-2005, 07:52 AM   #15
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Hi James,

You can tell him that you are studying the most advanced aspect of kiai - the silent kiai. This is not a joke, either! If you are interested and write me privately, I will share with you some practical methods for developing this as part of your training.


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I didn't know there was a silent kiai...

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Old 05-06-2005, 12:42 PM   #16
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Shhhhhhhhhhhh! (whispering) ...you do now.



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Old 05-06-2005, 05:25 PM   #17
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I didn't know there was a silent kiai...
Dont be afraid james....
Neither did I
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Old 05-06-2005, 08:01 PM   #18
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Re: kiai

It was hard for me to do it first, I sound like 14 y/o even though I was there decades ago... Yet, I am trying to do it as the best I can at times as my teachers instructed, so did my fellows I train with. Then what I find is that Kiai has a huge effect and I care less about the sound I make...

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Old 05-07-2005, 01:49 AM   #19
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It'll pass...eventually *turns blue*

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Old 05-07-2005, 08:08 AM   #20
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During one of my classes, we did a kiai test and i got rank 2 or 3(and i was white!!)
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Old 05-07-2005, 12:12 PM   #21
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You've all helped alot, thank you.

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