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Old 04-14-2005, 01:07 AM   #1
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Help with a few phrases

Has anyone heard of Ushiro Kakae? or Ushiro Hagaijime? What type of attacks are these??
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Old 04-14-2005, 01:19 AM   #2
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Re: Help with a few phrases

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Ushiro Kakae?
後ろ 抱え

Grasping or holding from behind.

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Ushiro Hagaijime?
後ろ 羽交い絞め

Grasping or holding the elbows from behind.

Perhaps

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Old 04-14-2005, 07:20 AM   #3
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Re: Help with a few phrases

Shouldn't that be Ushiro Hiji (not haga for) elbows?
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Old 04-14-2005, 11:44 AM   #4
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Re: Help with a few phrases

Find out what 羽交い means and think about the positioning and what it would look like and it makes sense.
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Old 04-14-2005, 03:02 PM   #5
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Re: Help with a few phrases

People who were in Japan at different times and in different learned whatever romanization was available to them. Tthere are at least 5 different systems for romanizing Japanese, some of which have had their own changes over time. (The one that is more German is almost impossible to read - and should NEVER be used!)

I have seen people romanize aikido techniques on their testing forms with "Hiji" (elbows) represented as "Hizi" - which to mean is closer to "Hiza" (knees). When I saw they wanted a 'round the back double "knee" grab I thought that was great - so I tackled the poor guy!

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Old 04-14-2005, 03:53 PM   #6
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When I saw they wanted a 'round the back double "knee" grab I thought that was great - so I tackled the poor guy!
Ouch!


羽交い はがい hagai is wings or pinion. 羽 is feather, wing, or sometimes blade. 交 is a lot of things I guess. It is interchange, mix, blend, etc. In this case hagaijime is pinioning nage's arms from behind (ushiro). If uke has nage in this position it looks like a bird with it's wings held back.

I guess you don't have to grab near the elbows but that is where I have seen it the most and it seems easiest. So far as I know.
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Old 04-14-2005, 08:28 PM   #7
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Re: Help with a few phrases

Thanks for the replies! Very enlightening, I was wondering what you are using as your reference? Might be something I'm interested in acquiring.
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Old 04-15-2005, 11:58 AM   #8
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I found  羽交い  in the Nelson Japanese-English Character Dictionary. For more ordinary compounds and characters I use Kodansha's Kanji Learner's Dictionary which is an easy to use skip dictionary. And notes I took from class. Many other people I know just have word tanks which are small electronic dictionaries which seem to have it all including cultural references and many other things. If all else fails Google.
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Old 04-27-2005, 10:40 PM   #9
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Re: Help with a few phrases

Ushiro is behind, Jime also pronounced Shime means strangle or choke.

Hagai Jime is basically a Full Nelson. You see this in wrestling and jiu-jitsu a lot.

Hagai is probably refering to the way uke's arms look when he is caught in the hold.

If you don't know wat a Full Nelson is, it's a hold in which both hands are thrust under uke's arms from behind and then locked against the back of the opponent's neck.

A Half Nelson is the same thing, but using only one hand. Your other hand can push out on uke's hips to control him.

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Old 04-27-2005, 11:11 PM   #10
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Re: Help with a few phrases

Ushiro Kakae-dori is a rear Bear Hug.

Ushiro is from Behind.
I think Kakae means to trap.
Dori means Hold.

An example is the 7th technique in Judo's Goshin-jitsu kata.
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