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Old 03-30-2005, 07:20 PM   #51
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Re: Kamae vs Shizentai (hips underneath)

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One of his goals in creating his style was apparantly to develop a systematic way of teaching that was much more effective than the "Monkey see, Monkey do" way he was taught.
Even through years of Chinese martial arts I would often remember Shioda's book "Dynamic Aikido" as being the most explicative book on martial arts that I'd ever read. He did a good job. The one question I can't fully answer was his precise views on "ki". I would tend to think of things as physical phenomena if I hadn't seen some of the things I have over the years and realized that there's a potential for the body to coordinate and condition to an extent beyond the building blocks Shioda developed. I have to say that whether one just approaches things physically or whether someone wants to go further into the conditioning, either way Shioda's approach is brilliant. Thanks again for the input.

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Old 03-30-2005, 08:03 PM   #52
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Mike,

A great book for insight to Shioda Kancho is Aikido Shugyo. If you haven't picked up a copy, you should. << http://www.shindokanbooks.com >> I'll let you read it and make your own judgement. Then let me know what you think either here or privately.

FWIW: and not to hijack this thread, I don't believe that Shioda Kancho "invented" a "style" of Aikido. I believe he was simply retransmitting what he was taught, which was simply, practice the movements over and over again until they become a natural movement. It was Inoue Sensei and Kushida Sensei the developed the teaching system we know today and Shioda Kancho refined it. This is based on Inoue Sensei's own words which can be found at:

http://www.aikidojournal.com/article...hlight=kyoichi

I figure since you seem to be a big fan of Shioda Kancho, you would like to see/read more about him and his school of Aikido. BTW, you'll see a reference to the 60/40 thing as well.
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Old 03-30-2005, 08:30 PM   #53
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A great book for insight to Shioda Kancho is Aikido Shugyo. If you haven't picked up a copy, you should. << http://www.shindokanbooks.com >> I'll let you read it and make your own judgement. Then let me know what you think either here or privately.
OK. I just ordered a copy. Should be a good read.
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FWIW: and not to hijack this thread, I don't believe that Shioda Kancho "invented" a "style" of Aikido. I believe he was simply retransmitting what he was taught, which was simply, practice the movements over and over again until they become a natural movement. It was Inoue Sensei and Kushida Sensei the developed the teaching system we know today and Shioda Kancho refined it. This is based on Inoue Sensei's own words which can be found at:

http://www.aikidojournal.com/article...hlight=kyoichi

I figure since you seem to be a big fan of Shioda Kancho, you would like to see/read more about him and his school of Aikido. BTW, you'll see a reference to the 60/40 thing as well.
Hmmmm. Interesting on that weighting percentages. It's backwards of anything I've seen in my whole career. Oh well.

I need to make clear that there are a number of people that I'm aware of in Aikido that I think are admirable. Shioda and Tohei jump to mind, but there are others and there are some that don't jump to mind simply because I don't know enough about them to comment intelligently. That said, remember the areas of Ki/Qi that I mentioned in regard to "hard qi", "soft qi", "emitted qi", breathing techniques, etc. That's my interest in looking into these Aikido matters and if you think about it, there's a very narrow focus in Aikido, from what we can see. Although Shioda Sensei has a good empiric definition for "ki", that definition leaves out many of the components of full ki/qi and the question is really how much, if any, of the other things was he aware of, because of that limited definition put in a book which apparently he may not have written all of? Interesting thought.

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Old 03-30-2005, 08:32 PM   #54
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Michael,

Thank you for the kind words on the website. I have more material to add...if I ever get the time!

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