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Old 03-10-2005, 10:29 AM   #1
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Dungeons & Dragons gives you a weak mind

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What say our military friends on AikiWeb?

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Old 03-10-2005, 02:41 PM   #2
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons gives you a weak mind

I'm not a mil-spec unit, but I'd say they are conter-programming against having a soldier with a good imagination and a functioning creative mind. Are all role-playing gamers suspect, or only D&D? There are hundreds of RPG's out there, and probably a billion RPG players. Sounds like a knee-jerk test that proves nothing


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Old 03-10-2005, 03:40 PM   #3
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons gives you a weak mind

Agreed. I figure for them having a "weak personality" equates to having the ability to see something from somebody elses point of view. At least that's what I'm going to tell myself

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Old 03-11-2005, 02:48 AM   #4
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons gives you a weak mind

A while back (Columbine shoot times...) there was a list done by the FBI of dangerous singes. Myself and all my friends looked at it and laughed. We were all way up there inside the "dangerous psychopaths with Spider Jerusalem tendencies...."

I've yet to see a decent study done on role playing, especially from the mathematical game theory point of view. Then again, maybe I should do it myself now that I have no job...

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Old 03-11-2005, 02:56 AM   #5
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There have been some psychological studies around the net. I can't say anything about the quality of those, but the general conclusion was, that role players are not different from other people, except that there is a tendency that they tend to have slightly above average stable personality and tend to have better social abilities.
Of course, if you already have an instable personality, the effects of LARP and RPGs can be dangerous. It is a form of flight from reality, as is reading a book, wantching a film, going to the opera etc. But the latter are not interactive, in contrast to RPG and especially LARP.
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Old 03-11-2005, 01:04 PM   #6
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons gives you a weak mind

U.S. has a comprehensive screening process for elite units that takes many things into account. While I don't think anyone is after D&D players, On average that your average Special Operations operater would tend to be someone who played team sports in high school than D&D. I have played before, but never got into it...too involved to hold my imagination, then again I like to jump out of perfectly good airplanes so where's the sanity in that.
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Old 03-15-2005, 09:49 PM   #7
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I can't see a problem for the military as long as the soldiers who do play don't start trying to cast level 10 magic missile at enemy troops during an attack.

The article sounds pretty closed-minded to me. Sure, a military wants some nice killbots who can only take orders, but where's the harm in being able to think your way out of a problem? Or is it the thinking part that bothers them?

I know a lot of people who play and none of them are Israeli soldiers...is there some kind of correlation there?
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Old 03-15-2005, 11:58 PM   #8
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JEEEZ, I see RPG written in the posts and my Marine Corps training had me looking for Rocket Propelled Granades....TAKE COVER!

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Old 03-16-2005, 02:19 AM   #9
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons gives you a weak mind

Tanner, a level 10 magic missile is called a law. It's quiet effective. *grins evilly*

Meanwhile, I'll take my fireball throwing staff (read: grenade launcher) and continue to pepper the orcs (read: enemies).

What are those two men doing in my house? Why are they carrying a long sleeved shirt?...

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Old 03-16-2005, 02:39 AM   #10
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons gives you a weak mind

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Tanner, a level 10 magic missile is called a law. It's quiet effective. *grins evilly*

Meanwhile, I'll take my fireball throwing staff (read: grenade launcher) and continue to pepper the orcs (read: enemies).

What are those two men doing in my house? Why are they carrying a long sleeved shirt?...
Magic missiles are ok, but fireballs... no, to much collateral damage... I prefer surgical combat magic
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Old 03-16-2005, 05:54 AM   #11
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons gives you a weak mind

Having read the article in Hebrew, It seems something is missing in the translation. The Israeli army stated it has a problem only with RD&D, those who go out and play. And even then, they send them to psychologists before making a decision.

As one could expect, this article got lots of negative responses once published, and I do hope the army will think about this once again.


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Old 03-16-2005, 07:13 AM   #12
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Re: Dungeons & Dragons gives you a weak mind

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Amir Krause wrote:
Having read the article in Hebrew, It seems something is missing in the translation. The Israeli army stated it has a problem only with RD&D, those who go out and play. And even then, they send them to psychologists before making a decision.

As one could expect, this article got lots of negative responses once published, and I do hope the army will think about this once again.


Amir
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Have you ever heard of an RPG that used a dreidl to assign damage?

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Joke over and excuse the spelling.

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