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Old 02-13-2005, 05:59 PM   #1
Jorge Garcia
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Did O Sensei influence Karate?

Perhaps someone has brought this up before but this was new to me.
http://www.jkr.com/history/
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Old 02-13-2005, 06:07 PM   #2
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Re: Did O Sensei influence Karate?

No but Kano certainly did.

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Old 02-13-2005, 08:44 PM   #3
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Re: Did O Sensei influence Karate?

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Jorge Garcia wrote:
Perhaps someone has brought this up before but this was new to me.
http://www.jkr.com/history/
Best,
Posted this in answer to this question on AJ, too:

I've never heard of much of what is claimed on that page. Nishio trained with Konishi, though ( http://aikidojournal.com/article.php?articleID=524 and http://aikidojournal.com/article.php?articleID=397). But this is the first I've heard of Osensei meeting him.

In Harry Cook's Karate -A Precise History, there's an end note with Inoue Noriaki, Osensei's cousin, going on about triangles, circles, and squares. Cook laconically dismisses it as nonsense. It seems, however, to have gotten a warmer reception from Egami Shigeru, who ran the Shotokai offshoot of JKA and eventually turned it into Shintaido (or maybe one of his students did, I forget). So there is some connection to the family and Omoto teachings, if not precisely aikido. See http://www.shotokai.com/ingles/essays/aokieng.html and the usual search engines.

Hope this helps.

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Old 02-13-2005, 09:34 PM   #4
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Re: Did O Sensei influence Karate?

Thanks Don, that is helpful.

"It is the philosophy that gives meaning to the method of training."
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Old 02-14-2005, 01:35 AM   #5
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Re: Did O Sensei influence Karate?

My partner does a style of karate called Shotokai (AKA shotoryu). Apparently their Harada sensei trained at the Hut with Abbe Sensei. And a lot of stuff they do is very close to aikido (aikikai), they even have a sort of version of unbendable arm.

http://www.kds-shotokai.ndo.co.uk/page8.html
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Old 02-14-2005, 04:37 AM   #6
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Re: Did O Sensei influence Karate?

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My partner does a style of karate called Shotokai (AKA shotoryu). Apparently their Harada sensei trained at the Hut with Abbe Sensei. And a lot of stuff they do is very close to aikido (aikikai), they even have a sort of version of unbendable arm.
It struck me as odd that the site you linked to described Abbe as "the well known judo and aikido master" and neglects to mention that he was also the first karate instructor to teach in the uk. (Besides aikido and karate, he also introduced kendo and kyudo to this country among other things, he was quite a polymath.)

It doesn't necessarily follow from Harada training with Abbe that he studied aikido as such, he may have been practicing his karate. (It would certainly be surprising if he didn't practice karate with Abbe, given that the two were possibly the only experienced karateka in the country at the time.)

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Old 02-14-2005, 04:49 AM   #7
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Re: Did O Sensei influence Karate?

Yep fair points indeed. I'd be surprised if he didn't do karate with Abbe Sensei either. Perhaps I can find out when I get home?

I was really wanting to point out the fair bit of overlap between the two. When my boyfriend gets home after his shotokai class and shows me what he did that lesson, I often go "Ah, we do something really similar in aikido!"

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