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Old 05-28-2001, 09:34 AM   #51
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Marrocco

Hi Kami

One more...

M'Barek Alaoui 7th Dan Aikikai

Web site: http://www.aikido-au-maroc.fr.st/

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Old 05-28-2001, 11:09 AM   #52
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Hi Kami
One more...
M'Barek Alaoui 7th Dan Aikikai
Web site: http://www.aikido-au-maroc.fr.st/
Jean-Marc
KAMI : Hello, Jean-Marc, my friend! You're right, I have forgotten Aloui Sensei. Thank you very much!
Best regards and good keiko
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Old 05-28-2001, 11:16 AM   #53
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LIST OF HIGH-RANKED NON-JAPANESE YUDANSHA(UPDATE)

Dear Friends,

I keep getting help from many friends. The last one was from Jean-Marc Duclos, from Portugal. He reminded me the name of M'BAREK ALAOUI, 7th Dan Aikikai, from Morocco.
This our last update :
"Karl Geis - Fugakukai, Texas (USA), 10th Dan
Thamby Rajah - Shudokan, Malaysia, 9th Dan

Shinichi Suzuki -- Ki-Aikido, Hawaii(USA), 8th Dan
Takashi Nonaka -- Ki-Aikido, Hawaii(USA), 8th Dan
Harry Eto - Ki-Aikido, Hawaii (USA), 8th Dan
Alain Floquet -- Yoseikan, France, 8th Dan
Henry Copeland - Fugakukai, Alabama(USA), 8th Dan
Thomas H.Makiyama - Keijutsukai, Japan, 8th Dan (Born in Hawaii)
Georges Stobbaerts -- Butokukai, Portugal, 8th Dan
Amos Parker -- Yoshinkai, USA, 8th Dan
Walther von Krenner - USMAA, USA, 8th Dan
Lou Periello - USMAA, USA, 8th Dan/Aikikai 5th Dan

Patrick Auge - Yoseikan, California(USA), 7th Dan
Michel Soulenq - Aikikai, France, 7th Dan
Christian Tissier -- Aikikai, France, 7th Dan
Gerard Blaize -- Aikikai, France, 7th Dan
Robert Kubo -- Aikikai, Hawaii(USA), 7th Dan
Donald Moriyama - Aikikai, Hawaii(USA), 7th Dan
Christopher Curtis -- Ki-Aikido, Hawaii(USA), 7th Dan
M'barek Alaoui - Aikikai, Morocco, 7th Dan
Lee Ah Loi - Tomiki, England, 7th Dan (JAA)
John Waite -- Tomiki/England, 7th JAA/BAA, 5th BJA
Brian Eustace -- Tomiki/England, 7th Dan BAA (Não é mais membro da organização) (*)
Robert Forrest-West -- Tomiki/England, 7th Dan BAA
William Lawrence -- Tomiki/England, 7th Dan BAA
Erhard Altenbrandt, DAB, Germany, 7th Dan
Rolf Brand, DAB, Germany, 7th Dan
Gerhardt Walter, Aikikai (?), Germany, 7th Dan
Kevin Blok, World Kobudo Federation(Aikido Section), 7th Dan
Giampietro Savegnago, Aikikai(?), Italy, 7th Dan
John Allen - Fugakukai, W. Virginia(USA), 7th Dan
Robert Aoyagi - Aikikai, Hawaii(USA), 7th Dan
Charles Caldwell - Fugakukai, Colorado(USA), 7th Dan
Stewart Chan - Seidokan, California(USA), 7th Dan
Chuck Clark - Jiyushinkai, Arizona(USA), 7th Dan
Frank Doran - Aikikai, California(USA), 7th Dan
Richard Hirao - Aikikai, Hawaii(USA), 7th Dan
Rianard Jackson - Fugakukai, Texas(USA), 7th Dan
Tim Joe - Fugakukai, Texas(USA), 7th Dan
Harvey Konigsberg -- Aikikai,NY(USA), 7th Dan
Robert Nadeau - Aikikai, California(USA), 7th Dan
Clif Norgaard - Fugakukai, Arkansas(USA), 7th Dan
Steven Seagal - Aikikai, California(USA), 7th Dan
William Witt - Aikikai, California(USA), 7th dan
Harry Wright - Fugakukai, Alabama(USA), 7th Dan
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(1) More research should be done and more help is wanted on : Giampietro Savegnago, Michel Soulenq, André Cognar, Piero Suriano and Gerhard Walther. Any help will be welcome;
(2) No comparison is done between organizations and this list should not be interpreted this way.
Thank you very much
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Old 06-10-2001, 04:20 AM   #54
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Dear Friends,

This is our latest update of our list. The main alteration has been the promotion of our friend, CHUCK CLARK, to the 8th Dan. Congratulations, Chuck San!

"Karl Geis - Fugakukai, Texas (USA), 10th Dan

Thamby Rajah - Shudokan, Malaysia, 9th Dan

Shinichi Suzuki -- Ki-Aikido, Hawaii(USA), 8th Dan
Takashi Nonaka -- Ki-Aikido, Hawaii(USA), 8th Dan
Harry Eto - Ki-Aikido, Hawaii (USA), 8th Dan
Alain Floquet -- Yoseikan, France, 8th Dan
Henry Copeland - Fugakukai, Alabama(USA), 8th Dan
Thomas H.Makiyama - Keijutsukai, Japan, 8th Dan (Born in Hawaii)
Georges Stobbaerts -- Butokukai, Portugal, 8th Dan
Amos Parker -- Yoshinkai, USA, 8th Dan
Walther von Krenner - USMAA, USA, 8th Dan
Lou Periello - USMAA, USA, 8th Dan/Aikikai 5th Dan
Chuck Clark - Jiyushinkai, USA, 8th Dan

Patrick Auge - Yoseikan, California(USA), 7th Dan
Michel Soulenq - Aikikai(6th Dan)/GCERCCE (7th Dan), France
Christian Tissier -- Aikikai, France, 7th Dan
Gerard Blaize -- Aikikai, France, 7th Dan
Robert Kubo -- Aikikai, Hawaii(USA), 7th Dan
Donald Moriyama - Aikikai, Hawaii(USA), 7th Dan
Christopher Curtis -- Ki-Aikido, Hawaii(USA), 7th Dan
M'barek Alaoui - Aikikai, Morocco, 7th Dan
Lee Ah Loi - Tomiki, England, 7th Dan (JAA)
John Waite -- Tomiki/England, 7th JAA/BAA, 5th BJA
Brian Eustace -- Tomiki/England, 7th Dan BAA (Não é mais membro da organização) (*)
Robert Forrest-West -- Tomiki/England, 7th Dan BAA
William Lawrence -- Tomiki/England, 7th Dan BAA
Erhard Altenbrandt, DAB, Germany, 7th Dan
Rolf Brand, DAB, Germany, 7th Dan
Gerhardt Walter, Aikikai (5th Dan)/BDAS (7th Dan,Germany
Kevin Blok, World Kobudo Federation(Aikido Section), 7th Dan
Giampietro Savegnago, Aikikai(?), Italy, 7th Dan
John Allen - Fugakukai, W. Virginia(USA), 7th Dan
Robert Aoyagi - Aikikai, Hawaii(USA), 7th Dan
Charles Caldwell - Fugakukai, Colorado(USA), 7th Dan
Stewart Chan - Seidokan, California(USA), 7th Dan
Frank Doran - Aikikai, California(USA), 7th Dan
Richard Hirao - Aikikai, Hawaii(USA), 7th Dan
Rianard Jackson - Fugakukai, Texas(USA), 7th Dan
Tim Joe - Fugakukai, Texas(USA), 7th Dan
Harvey Konigsberg -- Aikikai,NY(USA), 7th Dan
Robert Nadeau - Aikikai, California(USA), 7th Dan
Clif Norgaard - Fugakukai, Arkansas(USA), 7th Dan
Steven Seagal - Aikikai, California(USA), 7th Dan
William Witt - Aikikai, California(USA), 7th dan
Harry Wright - Fugakukai, Alabama(USA), 7th Dan
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More research should be done and more help is wanted on : Giampietro Savegnago, André Cognar and Piero Suriano.Any help will be welcome.
No comparison is done between organizations and this list should not be interpreted this way.
Thank you very much
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Old 06-10-2001, 12:14 PM   #55
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Thanks for your thoughts. This was quite a shock! I can remember when I was a teenager of seventeen who had just been promoted to shodan (one of the selection of things I can remember...) and thought I would be happy if I ever made sandan.

As I continued in my budo practice around the world, I encountered many people that I admired and learned from. I also saw some that were not very admirable ... and I learned some things from them also (what NOT to be like, etc.) I saw people who had been promoted politically, who had bought rank, or who had just made up the most outlandish lies about their background and created their own certificates. At one point, I was turned down for promotion to godan in judo because I "hadn't brought in enough "members and support" for the national organization. I had grown up knowing the difference between "those who could 'dance' and those who could not" and was somewhat arrogant and proud that my rank had come from the people it had.

Years have passed since then and changes have come along. I can actually remember the day when I stopped worrying about rank or how good I was or what others thought of my ability. I decided to just put on a dogi and practice. Even if I never improved, I would just uke for everyone. One thing I know how to do for sure is be a good uke.

Rank means responsibilities to me now. Responsible to my teachers (living and dead) and their teachers to continue and grow in the tradition I'm a part of. Responsible to myself to just continue being true to myself and responsible to those who have chosen to learn from me.

On one scale, I know how I stack up to some at this rank. I also know some others at this rank that I will always feel in awe of their abilities and kokoro. I will discover more about what this new responsibility requires and do my best to live up to it.

Thanks to all of you that I continue to learn from when we train together or I read your thoughts and find myself expanding my view to include your own.

Regards,

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Old 06-12-2001, 05:37 PM   #56
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There are at least two more British Sensei to add to the list. Haydn Foster Sensei 7th Dan Instiute of Aikido and Ken Williams Sensei Ki society. I'm not sure what rank Mr Williams holds now but as he taught Mr Foster in the fifties then he must be 7th or higher by now.
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Old 06-13-2001, 02:52 AM   #57
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There are at least two more British Sensei to add to the list. Haydn Foster Sensei 7th Dan Instiute of Aikido and Ken Williams Sensei Ki society. I'm not sure what rank Mr Williams holds now but as he taught Mr Foster in the fifties then he must be 7th or higher by now.
KAMI : Thank you for your cooperation, Colin!
Could you send me further information?
If I remember correctly, Haydn Foster Sensei was a student of Kenshiro Abbe Sensei and a head of Aikikai in England. I guess now he's independent (Institute of Aikido). I do not have much information about Ken Williams Sensei except what we have in Pranin's Encyclopedia.
I would be glad if you could send me some data : confirmation of both men dan ranking; the last ranking they both have from Aikikai and Ki Society; if Mr. Williams is still linked to Ki Society and his present rank, either in KS or in whatever organization he is a present member of.
Contact with both of them will be, of course, unvaluable.
Thank you again

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Old 06-13-2001, 12:46 PM   #58
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Unfortunately i have no idea about what happened to Ken Williams after he went to Japan in 1966. Except that he came back to the UK and now runs a large organisation headed by himself teaching Ki development style Aikido. The last ranking that Mr Williams and Mr Foster had recognised by Hombu was i believe their 3rd and 2nd Dans respectively in 1962. Since then Mr foster was awarded 3rd dan by Nakazono in 1969 after which he set up the Institute in 1973. Subsequent gradings have been awarded i believe by the Institute membership and the 7th dan was given in August 1999. A slightly longer version of the above is available at the Institute website www.ioaikido.fsnet.co.uk
I did have the web address for Mr Williams organisation too but can't find it now. There may be other 7th Dans in the UK, but i'll leave that to people who may know rather than speculators like me!
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Old 06-14-2001, 04:23 AM   #59
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Can you tell me where Mr Foster or Mr Williams teach,if they still do????

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Old 06-14-2001, 07:40 AM   #60
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Dear Colin,

Thank you very much for your information. That's a good beginning for my research.
Best


Quote:
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Unfortunately i have no idea about what happened to Ken Williams after he went to Japan in 1966. Except that he came back to the UK and now runs a large organisation headed by himself teaching Ki development style Aikido. The last ranking that Mr Williams and Mr Foster had recognised by Hombu was i believe their 3rd and 2nd Dans respectively in 1962. Since then Mr foster was awarded 3rd dan by Nakazono in 1969 after which he set up the Institute in 1973. Subsequent gradings have been awarded i believe by the Institute membership and the 7th dan was given in August 1999. A slightly longer version of the above is available at the Institute website www.ioaikido.fsnet.co.uk
I did have the web address for Mr Williams organisation too but can't find it now. There may be other 7th Dans in the UK, but i'll leave that to people who may know rather than speculators like me!

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Old 06-14-2001, 10:10 AM   #61
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I have heard (don't know how accurate) that in most styles of Aikido there is no formal testing above the rank of 4th or 5th dan. Comments Please!

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Old 06-14-2001, 11:02 AM   #62
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HIGHER-RANKING AND HOW DOES IT HAPPEN

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I have heard (don't know how accurate) that in most styles of Aikido there is no formal testing above the rank of 4th or 5th dan. Comments Please!
Sherman
KAMI : You are right, more or less...
Depending on the organization, promotion above 4th (or 3rd or 5th) Dan, may happen because of:
a)time spent in the art (your students begin to reach your level, so...);
b)remarkable services to the art, recognized by your Hombu(Aikikai, Yoshinkai, Tomiki, etc...);
c) remarkable technical acumen, recognized by all;
d) political (and unknowable) reasons;
and
e) great donations to the Hombu of your style (that's a lie, of course!)
Best

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Old 06-15-2001, 01:28 PM   #63
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Can you tell me where Mr Foster or Mr Williams teach,if they still do????
Mr Foster was my sensei and still teaches at "The Hut" in West Drayton, just North of Heathrow airport in Middlesex. Mr Williams teaches near Bristol somewhere, i would tell you exactly where but like i said i lost his website address.
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Old 06-16-2001, 12:52 PM   #64
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Triangle Rank of Sensei & Organization Heads

When Roderick Kobayashi, Sensei, founded Seidokan Aikido in 1981, he was at that time Rokudan. On several occasions when asked by new students what his rank was he would simply say that as head of the organization he no longer held rank. One day during a seminar at my dojo in St Louis, one of the children came up to me and asked what rank Kobayashi, Sensei was. I glanced out the side of my eye and saw Sensei staring intently at me to see what my answer would be. I told the child that Kobayashi, Sensei was now "Zero Dan". Rod grinned from ear-to-ear and confirmed his new rank!

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Old 06-16-2001, 04:29 PM   #65
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When Roderick Kobayashi, Sensei, (was) asked by new students what his rank was he would simply say that as head of the organization he no longer held rank.
KAMI : Roderick T. Kobayashi Sensei (+ 1995), Founder of Seidokan Aikido, was a very important man in the history of Aikido. He was also one of the very few non-japanese to hold the title of Hombu Shidoin in the Aikikai, at the time Koichi Tohei Sensei was still Chief-Instructor at Hombu. The only reason he is not in this List is that it is concerned with LIVING non-japanese High-Ranking Yudansha.
OTOS, his opinion on ranking is one to be respected. Other masters, on other opportunities, have expressed different opinions, that also need to be respected.
Our list also does not make comparisons between Sensei or organizations. It just cites important living figures, important for their work and not necessarily for their organizations.
Best regards
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Old 06-27-2001, 02:02 PM   #66
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HIGH-RANKING NON-JAPANESE LIVING AIKIDO YUDANSHA

Dear Friends,

This is the last update on my list. The name of HARRY ETO Sensei has been retired from the list, since it only lists living aikidoka and Eto Sensei has passed away.PAOLO CORRALINI Sensei has been included. The List stands now :

Karl Geis - Fugakukai, Texas (USA), 10th Dan
Thamby Rajah - Shudokan, Malaysia, 9th Dan

Shinichi Suzuki -- Ki-Aikido, Hawaii(USA), 8th Dan
Takashi Nonaka -- Ki-Aikido, Hawaii(USA), 8th Dan
Alain Floquet -- Yoseikan, France, 8th Dan
Henry Copeland - Fugakukai, Alabama(USA), 8th Dan
Thomas H. Makiyama - Keijutsukai, Japan, 8th Dan (born in Hawaii)
Georges Stobbaerts -- Butokukai, Portugal, 8th Dan
Amos Parker -- Yoshinkai, USA, 8th Dan
Chuck Clark - Jiyushinkai, USA, 8th Dan
Walther von Krenner - USMAA, USA, 8th Dan
Lou Periello - USMAA, USA, 8th Dan/Aikikai 5th Dan

Patrick Auge - Yoseikan, California(USA), 7th Dan
Michel Soulenq - Aikikai, France, 7th Dan
Christian Tissier -- Aikikai, France, 7th Dan
Gerard Blaize -- Aikikai, France, 7th Dan
Robert Kubo -- Aikikai, Hawaii(USA), 7th Dan
Donald Moriyama - Aikikai, Hawaii(USA), 7th Dan
Christopher Curtis -- Ki-Aikido, Hawaii(USA), 7th Dan
M'barek Alaoui - Aikikai, Morocco, 7th Dan
Lee Ah Loi - Tomiki, England, 7th Dan (JAA)
John Waite -- Tomiki/England, 7th JAA/BAA, 5th BJA
Brian Eustace -- Tomiki/England, 7th Dan BAA (Não é mais membro da organização) (*)
Robert Forrest-West -- Tomiki/England, 7th Dan BAA
William Lawrence -- Tomiki/England, 7th Dan BAA
Erhard Altenbrandt, DAB, Germany, 7th Dan
Rolf Brand, DAB, Germany, 7th Dan
Gerhardt Walter, Aikikai (?), Germany, 7th Dan
Kevin Blok, World Kobudo Federation(Aikido Section), 7th Dan
Giampietro Savegnago, Aikikai(?), Italy, 7th Dan
John Allen - Fugakukai, W. Virginia(USA), 7th Dan
Robert Aoyagi - Aikikai, Hawaii(USA), 7th Dan
Charles Caldwell - Fugakukai, Colorado(USA), 7th Dan
Stewart Chan - Seidokan, California(USA), 7th Dan
Frank Doran - Aikikai, California(USA), 7th Dan
Richard Hirao - Aikikai, Hawaii(USA), 7th Dan
Rianard Jackson - Fugakukai, Texas(USA), 7th Dan
Tim Joe - Fugakukai, Texas(USA), 7th Dan
Harvey Konigsberg -- Aikikai, (USA), 7th Dan
Robert Nadeau - Aikikai, California(USA), 7th Dan
Clif Norgaard - Fugakukai, Arkansas(USA), 7th Dan
Steven Seagal - Aikikai, California(USA), 7th Dan
William Witt - Aikikai, California(USA), 7th dan
Harry Wright - Fugakukai, Alabama(USA), 7th Dan
Paolo Corralini - Iwama Ryu, Italy, 7th Dan
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(1) More research should be done and more help is wanted on : Giampietro Savegnago, Michel Soulenq, André Cognar, Piero Suriano and Gerhard Walther. Any help will be welcome;
(2) No comparison is done between organizations and this list should not be interpreted this way.

Best

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Old 06-27-2001, 05:09 PM   #67
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Robert Forrest-West -- Tomiki/England, 7th Dan BAA
I hate to nit-pick after all your effort, but I believe that one should be Robert Forest Webb, and I'm sure his grade is recognised by Shodokan honbu, so I guess that makes it JAA/BAA rather than just BAA.

If you want to be really picky, he is actually based just over the border in Wales, rather than England, but maybe now I'm going too far.

It looks like you've done an awful lot of research, congratulations on a fine piece of work.

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Old 06-27-2001, 05:10 PM   #68
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I think Chuck Clark needs to be moved up a notch on the list. Or, is Jun passing bad info?
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Old 06-27-2001, 06:01 PM   #69
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Quote:
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I think Chuck Clark needs to be moved up a notch on the list. Or, is Jun passing bad info?
KAMI : No, Jun isn't passing bad info and you are definitely right. My mistake...
Consider it corrected!
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Old 06-27-2001, 06:04 PM   #70
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I hate to nit-pick after all your effort, but I believe that one should be Robert Forest Webb, and I'm sure his grade is recognised by Shodokan honbu, so I guess that makes it JAA/BAA rather than just BAA.
If you want to be really picky, he is actually based just over the border in Wales, rather than England, but maybe now I'm going too far.
It looks like you've done an awful lot of research, congratulations on a fine piece of work.
Sean
KAMI : Hello, Sean! Thanks a lot for your interest. If you could get me some other information (Home Page, e-mail for contact, etc...), you'll make me very glad. I need all the help I can get.
Thank you also for your nice words.
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Old 06-27-2001, 06:40 PM   #71
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If you could get me some other information (Home Page, e-mail for contact, etc...), you'll make me very glad.
I dont think there is much information online, but what little I know I just sent you in a private message.

I've never used that before, so if you dont get the message it'll be me messing up, let me know and I'll try again.

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Old 06-29-2001, 06:09 AM   #72
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CORRECTION ACKNOWLED AND ACCEPTED

Dear fellow members,
STANLEY PRANIN wrote to me transmitting the following e-mails from Ms. LIESE KLEIN, representative of the Birankai and Chiba Shihan :

"Mr. Pranin,

I understand that you have lots of activity on the bulletin boards, but the main place this error is posted is in the "Aikido Organizations" folder, for which there is only one posting. This is an embarrassing error for all involved. Perhaps it would be appropriate for you personally to make a statement that lists of this type should confirmed before posting on such a visible forum.
Thank you for your time,
Liese Klein"

"Dear Mr. Pranin,
>>I am writing on behalf of T.K. Chiba Shihan at San Diego Aikikai.
>>In
>>several places on your bulletin boards you have listed erroneous
>>information about the rankings of three Birankai shihan--Vasquez,
>>Iseri
>>and Arnold. They are all 6th dan, not 7th Dan. Please correct this
>>information as soon as possible. In the future, when you post
>>anything on
>>Chiba Shihan or Birankai, please do us the courtesy of calling to
>>the dojo
>>to confirm the information at (619) 280-0082. Thank you for your
>>prompt
>>action on this.
>>Sincerely,
>>Liese Klein
>>San Diego Aikikai"

I quite understand Ms.Klein's posts and I would like to present my sincere excuses for my mistake.
A mistake is a mistake and no amount of explanation may correct it but, anyway, I would like to stress some points :
a)My list, as any human endeavor, is subject to mistakes and errors and as such I have permanently invited everyone to correct it;
b) I always do the best I can as to checking, rechecking and altering it, according to research done and input received;
c) in the case of Chiba Shihan, his separation from USAF/WR and the promotion of his students to Shihan level, as well as the possible promotion of his students to the 7th dan, I did my best to check those informations, as seen below :
(WHERE I GOT THE ORIGINAL INFORMATION) : http://www.aikidojournal.com/ubb/For...ML/000609.html
(SOME RESEARCH AND THE INFORMATION I RECEIVED): http://www.aikidojournal.com/ubb/For...ML/000633.html
http://www.aikiweb.com/forums/showth...p?threadid=958
and
D) in the past, I have tried to contact USAF/WR and got no replies. I had no contact with Chiba Shihan's organization (the Birenkai) and so I was unable to get information from them. Now, that I have Liese Klein's contact, I hope she will contact me personally, giving me some e-mail to contact her on future opportunities.
Nonetheless, I acknowledge a mistake happened and apparently caused some sorrow to others. So, I would like to express also my sorrow for that and and atest my utmost expression of respect for Kazuo Chiba Shihan, the Birankai and everybody else involved.
With my very best regards
Ubaldo
P.S. Since the 3 men involved were not promoted to the 7th Dan, limit of my list, they have been deleted from it. This, in no way, may be construed to represent any demerit to them.
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Old 09-23-2001, 08:39 AM   #73
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Thumbs down HIGH-RANKING NON-JAPANESE YUDANSHA

Dear friends,
After a long winter, The Kami Hall of Fame presents the newest update on its :
LIST OF HIGH-RANKING LIVING NON-JAPANESE YUDANSHA

And the list is

Karl Geis - Fugakukai, Texas (USA), 10th Dan

Thamby Rajah - Shudokan, Malaysia, 9th Dan

Shinichi Suzuki -- Ki-Aikido, Hawaii(USA), 8th Dan
Takashi Nonaka -- Ki-Aikido, Hawaii(USA), 8th Dan
Alain Floquet -- Yoseikan, France, 8th Dan
Henry Copeland - Fugakukai, Alabama(USA), 8th Dan
Thomas H. Makiyama - Keijutsukai, Japan, 8th Dan (born in Hawaii)
Georges Stobbaerts -- Butokukai, Portugal, 8th Dan
Amos Parker -- Yoshinkai, USA, 8th Dan
Chuck Clark - Jiyushinkai, USA, 8th Dan
Walther von Krenner - USMAA, USA, 8th Dan
Lou Periello - USMAA, USA, 8th Dan/Aikikai 5th Dan
André Cognar Sensei -- France, Bu Iku Kai 8th Dan

Patrick Auge - Yoseikan, California(USA), 7th Dan
Michel Soulenq - GCERCCE, France, 7th Dan /Aikikai, 6th Dan
Christian Tissier -- Aikikai, France, 7th Dan
Gerard Blaize -- Aikikai, France, 7th Dan
Robert Kubo -- Aikikai, Hawaii(USA), 7th Dan
Donald Moriyama - Aikikai, Hawaii(USA), 7th Dan
Christopher Curtis -- Ki-Aikido, Hawaii(USA), 7th Dan
M'barek Alaoui - Aikikai, Morocco, 7th Dan
Lee Ah Loi - Tomiki, England, 7th Dan (JAA)
John Waite -- Tomiki/England, 7th JAA/BAA, 5th BJA
Brian Eustace -- Tomiki/England, 7th Dan BAA
Robert Forest-Webb -- Tomiki/England, 7th Dan JAA/BAA
William Lawrence -- Tomiki/England, 7th Dan BAA
Haydn Foster -- Institute of Aikido, England, 7th Dan
Erhard Altenbrandt, DAB, Germany, 7th Dan
Rolf Brand, DAB, Germany, 7th Dan
Gerhardt Walter, BDAS 7th Dan/Aikikai 5th Dan, Germany
Kevin Blok, World Kobudo Federation(Aikido Section), 7th Dan/Aikikai 6th Dan
Giampietro Savegnago, Italy, AIA 7th Dan
John Allen - Fugakukai, W. Virginia(USA), 7th Dan
Robert Aoyagi - Aikikai, Hawaii(USA), 7th Dan
Charles Caldwell - Fugakukai, Colorado(USA), 7th Dan
Stewart Chan - Seidokan, California(USA), 7th Dan
Frank Doran - Aikikai, California(USA), 7th Dan
Richard Hirao - Aikikai, Hawaii(USA), 7th Dan
Rianard Jackson - Fugakukai, Texas(USA), 7th Dan
Tim Joe - Fugakukai, Texas(USA), 7th Dan
Harvey Konigsberg -- Aikikai, (USA), 7th Dan
Robert Nadeau - Aikikai, California(USA), 7th Dan
Clif Norgaard - Fugakukai, Arkansas(USA), 7th Dan
Steven Seagal - Aikikai, California(USA), 7th Dan
William Witt - Aikikai, California(USA), 7th dan
Harry Wright - Fugakukai, Alabama(USA), 7th Dan
Eddie Hagihara - USA, Aikikai, 7th Dan
Paolo Corralini - Iwama Ryu, Italy, 7th Dan
Ulf Evenas - Iwama Ryu, Sweden, 7th Dan
André Fredrix -- Belgium, IMAF 7th Dan
Luciano Paterna -- Italy, IMAF 7th Dan
Piero Suriano -- Italy, Bu Iku Kai 7th Dan
L.F. Wilkinson - USA, IAA, 7th Dan
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2 - This list represents the author's opinion on each sensei's value and not on the basis of the organization to which he belongs;
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Last edited by Kami : 09-26-2001 at 03:10 AM.

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Old 09-24-2001, 05:13 AM   #74
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I know at least one more 7th dan, namely Ulf Evenas Shihan, Iwama Ryu, Sweden. He is Iwama ryu shihan over north Europe I believe and Paolo Corralini is shihan for south Europe.

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Old 09-24-2001, 10:47 AM   #75
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Quote:
Originally posted by Aikilove
I know at least one more 7th dan, namely Ulf Evenas Shihan, Iwama Ryu, Sweden. He is Iwama ryu shihan over north Europe I believe and Paolo Corralini is shihan for south Europe.
KAMI : Thank you very much, Jakob! You're right, of course. I don't include every "Shihan", "Soke" or "judan" in my list but, in the case, of Ulf Evenas, I'm very glad to make the correction.
I have included him.
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