Welcome to AikiWeb Aikido Information
AikiWeb: The Source for Aikido Information
AikiWeb's principal purpose is to serve the Internet community as a repository and dissemination point for aikido information.

Sections
home
aikido articles
columns

Discussions
forums
aikiblogs

Databases
dojo search
seminars
image gallery
supplies
links directory

Reviews
book reviews
video reviews
dvd reviews
equip. reviews

News
submit
archive

Miscellaneous
newsletter
rss feeds
polls
about

Follow us on



Home > AikiWeb Aikido Forums
Go Back   AikiWeb Aikido Forums > AikiWeb System

Hello and thank you for visiting AikiWeb, the world's most active online Aikido community! This site is home to over 22,000 aikido practitioners from around the world and covers a wide range of aikido topics including techniques, philosophy, history, humor, beginner issues, the marketplace, and more.

If you wish to join in the discussions or use the other advanced features available, you will need to register first. Registration is absolutely free and takes only a few minutes to complete so sign up today!

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 11-07-2004, 12:30 AM   #1
AikiWeb System
Join Date: Apr 2001
Posts: 1,318
Offline
Poll: How often do you verbally correct students senior to yourself who are making mistakes during aikido training?

AikiWeb Poll for the week of November 7, 2004:

How often do you verbally correct students senior to yourself who are making mistakes during aikido training?
  • I don't do aikido
  • Always
  • Almost always
  • Very often
  • Often
  • Somewhat often
  • Seldom
  • Almost never
  • Never
Here are the current results.
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2004, 01:20 AM   #2
Clayton Drescher
 
Clayton Drescher's Avatar
Dojo: Beach Cities Aikido
Location: Long Beach, CA
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 72
United_States
Offline
Re: Poll: How often do you verbally correct students senior to yourself who are making mistakes during aikido training?

I'm fortunate enough to train at a dojo where everyone "knows their place", except for the occasional new person. Also, everyone senior to me knows more than me, as it should be, so it's never been an issue.
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2004, 11:07 AM   #3
SeiserL
 
SeiserL's Avatar
Dojo: Roswell Budokan, Kyushinkan Dojo, Aikido World Alliance
Location: Roswell, GA USA
Join Date: Jun 2000
Posts: 3,715
United_States
Offline
Re: Poll: How often do you verbally correct students senior to yourself who are making mistakes during aikido training?

My Sempai are all very humble. If I didn't mention mistakes so they could improve their training, they would be very upset with me and vice versa. IMHO, staying open to correction from anyone is crucial.

Lynn Seiser PhD
Yondan Aikido & FMA/JKD
We do not rise to the level of our expectations, but fall to the level of our training. Train well. KWATZ!
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2004, 01:37 PM   #4
Chuck.Gordon
Location: Frederick, MD
Join Date: Sep 2000
Posts: 509
United_States
Offline
Re: Poll: How often do you verbally correct students senior to yourself who are making mistakes during aikido training?

Quote:
Lynn Seiser wrote:
My Sempai are all very humble. If I didn't mention mistakes so they could improve their training, they would be very upset with me and vice versa. IMHO, staying open to correction from anyone is crucial.
Same here. It is my dire responsibility to gently, positively, subtly and tactfully improve my betters.
As we go on, there ain't many, thus the greater responsibility.
If I really don't respect someone, I will never help them improve. Someone who won't learn, certainly can't help me learn.
For my part, I welcome overeducated beginners with big hearts and exemplary control.
These folks have given much to the art, whether it likes it or not.

MLE

  Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2004, 04:08 PM   #5
mriehle
 
mriehle's Avatar
Dojo: New School Aikido
Location: Stockton, CA
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 320
United_States
Offline
Re: Poll: How often do you verbally correct students senior to yourself who are making mistakes during aikido training?

Because I also teach, others will often ask for my help. I offer it when I can. Sometimes I have to respond that I'm not teaching that night. Other times I offer what help I can and point out to those more experienced than I am our relative experience levels.

That being said, we all have our favorite techniques and our, um, least favorite techniques. So, sometimes, I'm actually better at a particular technique than someone more experienced than I am. I offer my help and hope that they will return the favor when we go on to the half dozen other techniques that aren't personal favorites.

Mostly, they do. And that way we both get better at Aikido.

  Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2004, 04:09 PM   #6
stuartjvnorton
 
stuartjvnorton's Avatar
Dojo: Aikido Shudokan
Location: Melbourne
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 225
Offline
Re: Poll: How often do you verbally correct students senior to yourself who are making mistakes during aikido training?

Never, unless they ask for it.
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2004, 07:06 PM   #7
maikerus
Dojo: Roppongi Yoshinkan Aikido / Roppongi, Tokyo, Japan
Location: Tokyo
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 571
Japan
Offline
Re: Poll: How often do you verbally correct students senior to yourself who are making mistakes during aikido training?

I think that "correct" is the wrong word. Probably "discuss" would be better because who knows...maybe they know something I don't.

So, if I see something inconsistant or confusing I'll ask. But most of the time since we're doing the technique together with something obviously being different, they'll bring it up.

Hiriki no yosei 3 - The kihon that makes your head ache instead of your legs
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2004, 07:23 PM   #8
Michael Young
 
Michael Young's Avatar
Dojo: Alamo City Aikido
Location: San Antonio, TX
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 133
Offline
Re: Poll: How often do you verbally correct students senior to yourself who are making mistakes during aikido training?

I think there are two ways to think about this. One is feedback, the other is criticism. Criticism, even if it is "constructive criticism", is not appropriate from a junior student unless specifically asked for by the senior person....Feedback however is not only appropriate, but essential for the growth of all parties involved. I welcome feedback from my junior students and am prompted for it often by those senior and of equal rank to me. I think the best way to "correct" any interaction though, is through the open communication of an honest attack and sincere correct ukemi, rather than verbal conversation...deficiencies in technique can often be corrected in this manner. Someone senior really can't complain when all you do is provide the correct ukemi, rather from a junior student or senior.

Mike
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2004, 11:30 PM   #9
Melissa Fischer
Dojo: Tenzan Aikido/Seattle Holistic Center
Location: Seattle, Wa USA
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 53
Offline
Re: Poll: How often do you verbally correct students senior to yourself who are making mistakes during aikido training?

How do you identify a "mistake" if you are the junior? There have been times when I thought a senior was doing something wrong only to discover that they were working on a different level, maybe a variation I didn't know yet. Then I'm glad I went with the "empty cup" approach.
Humility often seems to come with high rank, so occasionally someone will ask for feedback, then I say what I can. Also, we have teacher's training classes where we are encouraged to sort to disregard rank and make comments as if we were all equals.
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2004, 11:38 PM   #10
PeterR
 
PeterR's Avatar
Dojo: Shodokan Honbu (Osaka)
Location: Himeji, Japan
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 3,055
Japan
Offline
Re: Poll: How often do you verbally correct students senior to yourself who are making mistakes during aikido training?

How senior is senior?

Six months, a year, several years?

Peter Rehse Shodokan Aikido
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2004, 07:49 AM   #11
gstevens
 
gstevens's Avatar
Dojo: Aikido Of San Leandro
Location: Alameda
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 47
Offline
Freaky! Re: Poll: How often do you verbally correct students senior to yourself who are making mistakes during aikido training?

It seems to me that there are relationships that develop in the Dojo here in the US where there is a little less hierarchy in our daily lives. It is the relationships of respect, and compassion that seem to dictate who says what to whom in our dojo.

I have had sempies ask for my input, and have given it. Generally though unless something is so wrong that I feel uncomfortable as Uke I don't stop the technique to talk about it, unless there is a long pause where the sempie is obviously thinking about what happened. I generally ask first if there was a problem with my Ukemi, and then if they say no, I might add something else like "I didn't really feel guided by the cutting hand", or "it felt like we lost connection after the tenkan"....

Only a couple of times in the last 10 months have I said; "That isn't going to work, if we do that with any more force, or if something goes wrong you are going to break my arm." This seemed to be good feedback as the person, very senior to me, immediately apologized profusely, and then the very next throw changed part of the technique so that there was no pressure on my arm, and it was about 300% more effective, and a lot smoother feeling. We both laughed I as I was flying, he as he was listening to me laugh. It was also a technique that I did not know how to do myself at the time!

Trying to correct your sempie all the time while they are working on a technique would be annoying, and they would probably show you that they were sempie for a reason after the third critique you delivered.....

Generally the better the relationship I have with someone at the Dojo, the easier it is to ask if that was the way it was supposed to happen. Or to ask "Sensie demonstrated the cut from high to low, is this a variation?" or My all time favorite "Was I supposed to land on top of you like this?"

Last edited by gstevens : 11-08-2004 at 07:59 AM.
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2004, 11:10 AM   #12
suren
Dojo: Aikido of Silicon Valley
Location: Fremont, CA
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 248
United_States
Offline
Re: Poll: How often do you verbally correct students senior to yourself who are making mistakes during aikido training?

Depends on the person I work with. If I have a good friendly relationship, in the most cases I'll let them know or show if something feels wrong (I can reach them, escape from a technique or smth else), but in some cases I don't do that if the person is too advanced or I don't know how he/she will react.
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2004, 12:11 PM   #13
NagaBaba
 
NagaBaba's Avatar
Location: Wild, deep, deadly North
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 1,146
Offline
Re: Poll: How often do you verbally correct students senior to yourself who are making mistakes during aikido training?

I did it very often when I was young and naive. So got hurt. LOL. Not anymore these days

Nagababa

ask for divine protection Ame no Murakumo Kuki Samuhara no Ryuo
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2004, 04:36 AM   #14
Dario Rosati
Dojo: Zanshin - Milan
Location: Milan
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 71
Offline
Re: Poll: How often do you verbally correct students senior to yourself who are making mistakes during aikido training?

I think I have to specifiy.
The ONLY situation where I "correct" a sempai, is when they start or do a tecnique in a completely different fashion than showed by sensei (for ex: starts as gyaku insead of ai-hanmi, or do irimitenkan instead of tenkan, or goes ura instead of omote an so on... putting me in trouble since I'm far from being able to improvise).

Unfortunately, it seems to me that it happens often (both in dojo and seminars). And, in these situations, I really don't care if they feel "provoked" or whatever by my ko-hai status; I think a) my security b) the respect and attinence for what sensei showed come first.

Bye!

--
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2004, 07:35 AM   #15
anselm
 
anselm's Avatar
Dojo: Ken-Shin-Kai
Location: Munich
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 6
Germany
Offline
Re: Poll: How often do you verbally correct students senior to yourself who are making mistakes during aikido training?

i agree
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2004, 12:26 AM   #16
roninja
 
roninja's Avatar
Dojo: UCO Budo Society/ Eye of the Storm
Location: oklahoma
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 15
United_States
Offline
Re: Poll: How often do you verbally correct students senior to yourself who are making mistakes during aikido training?

I don't think that I correct others in the sense of "you're wrong..." (well... if someone isn't doing the technique I will say "no", meaning "no, that's not throwing me") I do it in the sense of if we can't figure out why a technique isn't working I'll say "what about..." Some people may find that offensive but I have found that many times students with lower ranks,than me, are able to offer some pretty good tips if I am having trouble figuring out a technique. Being Uke really gives one a great perspective; if the technique is done right , then you get to learn it, if it's done wrong you get to say what you would have needed to feel in order for it to have been done right, then you get to learn it. But this is just my opinion. But overall, I do not think there is much upper ranking Criticism in our school, our Sempai know their stuff well enough so that understudents don't feel the need to "correct". hmm... I wonder if i said it right.
Anyway

僕わ Joseph Dunkin
"Compassion is pure kindness
Wisdom is knowing the truth of dependent origin"
- Ven. Hsing Yun
  Reply With Quote

Please visit our sponsor:

AikiWeb Sponsored Links - Place your Aikido link here for only $10!



Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Instructor got mad because I didnt fall actoman Training 192 05-02-2012 02:55 AM
Aikido in Amsterdam, Terry Lax style... tiyler_durden General 11 11-03-2008 08:31 AM
The Nage/Uke Dynamic - Guidelines senshincenter General 47 02-20-2006 05:20 PM
Culture of Martial Mediocrity? L. Camejo Training 160 02-03-2006 01:25 AM
Aikido and pregnancy Anat Amitay General 5 03-17-2002 11:49 AM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:01 PM.



vBulletin Copyright © 2000-2014 Jelsoft Enterprises Limited
----------
Copyright 1997-2014 AikiWeb and its Authors, All Rights Reserved.
----------
For questions and comments about this website:
Send E-mail
plainlaid-picaresque outchasing-protistan explicantia-altarage seaford-stellionate