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Old 10-20-2004, 10:19 PM   #1
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which martial arts are better

At work I was having a disscussion with one of my co workers about martial arts. it came up that chinese martial arts tend to be more attractive and fancy were as japanese martial arts are strong and effective, I agreed with my coworker because he gave the reason for his answer, which was "japan has conquered china many a time" which is true. but if anyone has further insight into this topic please provide it.
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Old 10-20-2004, 10:28 PM   #2
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Re: which martial arts are better

Well just once - and that was with modern guns. And then the Chinese beat the Japanese.

Wushu is entertainment - can't really compare that to Japanese Budo or Chinese martial arts that are more concerned with getting the job done.

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Old 10-20-2004, 10:54 PM   #3
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Re: which martial arts are better

Wing Chun is pretty damn powerfull = /

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Old 10-20-2004, 11:05 PM   #4
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Aikido looks pretty darn fancy. And people are always spending time making their ukemi look good. We can't criticize Chinese martial arts for looking fancy in their forms when we spend so much time looking fancy ourselves.
But there is an aesthetic aspect of martial arts, that's why it's an art, right?

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Old 10-20-2004, 11:51 PM   #5
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Re: which martial arts are better

"Better"? Depends on who your local instructor is!
And frankly it seems silly to disregard all the factors in regional domination (economics, politics, nationalism, strategy and tactics, and surely more things I'm forgetting....) and claim that a nation's various "martial arts" esp modern budo are the cause of its historical hegemony.

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Old 10-21-2004, 06:54 AM   #6
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Japanese martial arts definitely have more of an emphasis on a strong solid core and most strikes, kicks, movements are very direct and focussed. Chinese martial arts tend to not be as decisive and in some cases are more about quantity as opposed to quality. However I definitely agree that Wing Chun is extremely effective in almost anybodys hands.
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Old 10-21-2004, 07:46 AM   #7
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Re: which martial arts are better

eeeerrr....I think its the martial artist rather than the martial art.

They are all good when done by an expert.

I'd have thought this old chestnut would have been laid to rest by the success of MMA.

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Old 10-21-2004, 07:56 AM   #8
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Re: which martial arts are better

"Better" in what way? Each art has its advantages and dsiadvantages.

IMHO, it is the individual, not the art or origin, that makes an art more effective.

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Old 10-21-2004, 12:46 PM   #9
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Re: which martial arts are better

I agree Lynn...my thoughts exactly!

Everyone starts on his/her path at a different point, with a different goal and with different skills and perspectives.

What is important that the individual finds his/her way along the path that is right for them.
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Old 10-21-2004, 08:33 PM   #10
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Interesting
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Old 10-21-2004, 09:25 PM   #11
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Re: which martial arts are better

Quote:
Eric Hodge wrote:
At work I was having a disscussion with one of my co workers about martial arts. it came up that chinese martial arts tend to be more attractive and fancy were as japanese martial arts are strong and effective, I agreed with my coworker because he gave the reason for his answer, which was "japan has conquered china many a time" which is true. but if anyone has further insight into this topic please provide it.
Eric... History lesson ahead...

Starting from late 19th Century, China was always in constant internal strife. Starting with the Taiping Rebellion, Boxer Rebellion, Three Opium Wars, The Overthrowing of Imperial Manchu Rule by The Most Honourable Sun Yat Sen, The Power struggle between successor of Sun Yat Sen the Genrelassimo Chiang Kai Shek vs the Northern Overloard Yuan Shi Kai. Followed by the peasant revolt (Communist movement) led by Mao Zedong. China was in civil war for half a century. Any country with such devastating internal strife will be unable to resist foreign invasion. Forget Japan, even any country can walk over China at that time. It was like hitting a handicapped person, nothing to be proud off.

When the Sino-japan war started, the then ruling government under Gen. Chiang Kai Shek, had to fight two fronts: agaist the communist movement from the west and Japanese invasion from the east. He was sandwiched. Mao Zedong's powerbase was with the peasants in the interior of China, so what if he lost some coastal cities to the Japanese. It was Chiang Kai Shek's subject anyway.

Looking at the disadvantages position Gen Chiang have at that moment in time, it was not surprising that he lost some coastal cities to Japanese invaders. I learned somewhere (Discovery Channel), the invading Japanese army lost some 200,000 good soldiers in the decade long war.

I believe wjy China lost some ground to japan has little to do with the superiority of Japanese style MA, more of good opportuniy.

Why China never invade Japan? If you've read the War Manual of Sun Tze (Sun Zi Pin Fa), go to war only if there is absolute gain. In this case, Japan is a small strip of island majority made up of volcanoes, liitle agriculture land, no natural resources, few human resource. Why invade a land with so little to gain?

On the other hand.. Japan has so much to gain by invading China for the reverse reasons stated above.

So Eric you see, it was not the superiority of Japanese MA that won Japan some land in China.

Damm, thank god I paid attention during History class during my hi-school period. I thought I would never have any use for such information.

Truly,
Boon

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Old 10-21-2004, 10:21 PM   #12
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Hi all,
my vote is thermo nuclear war
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