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Old 10-14-2004, 05:42 AM   #1
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What else do you do to keep fit?

Aikido is great for keeping your legs and hips in shape but I doubt if it has much of a conditioning effect on your cardiovascular system or if it would do anything for upper-body conditioning and strength.

I like to do a couple of sets of pushups and crunches and about 20 minutes on a stationary bike in the morning on alternating days (when I dont have Aikido).

I do about 10 super-slow knuckle pushups and another 20-25 (depending on how motivated I am) flat palm push-ups. I also do a set of about 20 straight leg lifts (to 90 degrees) to further tone my abdominals.

During my 20 minutes on the stationary bike I like to maintain a heartrate of 120-140 bpm, sometimes I pedal harder or longer when I feel motivated and energetic.

I find that my ability to focus and last an entire Aikido class has improved (I would start slacking off about 15 minutes or so before we end class which has bothered me since I started) and I have more energy and vitality just in general.

I am scared of doing weights because:

1) Pushups are waaay challenging enough already.
2) I am afraid of injuring myself (my brother still has trouble with his back from doing free-weights at a gym)
3) I dont have cheap or convenient access to machines or free-weights.
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Old 10-14-2004, 07:34 AM   #2
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Re: What else do you do to keep fit?

You have what sounds like a really good fitness regimen. I have just started aikido after being pretty stationary for 8 years. My CV system is getting plenty of work in my dojo. Remember that your legs and hips are the biggest group of muscles in the body. By pushing them, your heart rate should get to a respectable level.

As for the weights, I think they get a bad wrap. They are perfectly safe if you work correctly with very good technique (for me, safer than aikido). When I was powerlifting, I drove a 400lbs squat and a 450lbs deadlift (at a bodyweight of 190lbs)without ever suffering an injury. My form was good and when lifting by myself, I made sure to stay in the power-cage so I could drop a lift safely. Try to hook with a powerlifting team or coach in your area for some instruction. I would avoid bodybuilding-type lifting. They're too ballistic with little control. That is how people get hurt.

You also have to know what you want to get out of lifting (mass, power, beach-bod?).

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Old 10-14-2004, 08:50 AM   #3
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Re: What else do you do to keep fit?

Run, skip rope, weights, heavy bag, push-ups, leg lifts/crunches.

Oh yea, "try" to watch the carbs, sugar, fat, and calorie intake.

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Old 10-14-2004, 09:09 AM   #4
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Re: What else do you do to keep fit?

I think its good to get outside (a nice run outside, or swim in a lake/the sea!). Swimming seems good exercise for aikido if you do it properly (using your hips and centre). Chi Gung useful. Weapons practise.

Also, I like the press ups where you clap in between each press up (dynamic motion). Much more effective than standard press ups for developing striking power and speed.
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Old 10-14-2004, 09:10 AM   #5
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Re: What else do you do to keep fit?

P.S. I won't say weights are rubbish, but they must be combined with other exercises or else you will teach your body to move its muscles in isolation and not develop the smaller muscles which are necessary to complete complex movements.

I've found weight training where you lift yourself (pull-ups, dips etc) seem to give strength without increasing body mass; its weird but its like your body knows not to put on weight or its more to lift.

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Old 10-14-2004, 09:45 AM   #6
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Re: What else do you do to keep fit?

Check out Crossfit.com.....hands down one of the best fitness programs I have ever seen. Short, Intense and extrememly beneficial. It also addresses Ian's concern about complete complex movements.
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Old 10-14-2004, 11:09 AM   #7
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Re: What else do you do to keep fit?

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P.S. I won't say weights are rubbish, but they must be combined with other exercises or else you will teach your body to move its muscles in isolation and not develop the smaller muscles which are necessary to complete complex movements.
Resistance is resistance. Your body doesn't know if you're using weights, a machine, your body, a sandbag, or tossing the guy across the street.

Depending on what your goals are, some movements are better than others.....


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Old 10-14-2004, 01:08 PM   #8
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Re: What else do you do to keep fit?

Exercising is key to being in shape, but is useless without a proper diet. Personally, I run 10km (a little over 6.5miles for the Americans) five times per week, lift weights 4-5 times per week and do Aikido 4 classes per week. Lots of walking as well. Simple diet, oatmeal and bananna for breakfast, fruit and protein shake mid morning, turkey sandwich and milk for lunch, nuts and/or fruit mid afternoon, meat, salad, and milk for dinner. Calorie intake for the day is 1500-2000 depending on my fitness goals at the time. No soda, no white flour (only whole grains), low fat, low sugar, and amount of calories are important. I am in great shape and realize not everybody can exercise as much as I do, but anybody can control their eating. A hour of walking is worth more than 20 minutes of intense biking.
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Old 10-14-2004, 02:35 PM   #9
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Fitness in 100 words, by Crossfit

Eat meat and vegetables, nuts and seeds, some fruit, little starch and no sugar. Keep intake to levels that will support exercise but not body fat. Practice and train major lifts: Deadlift, clean, squat, presses, C&J, and snatch. Similarly, master the basics of gymnastics: pull-ups, dips, rope climb, push-ups, sit-ups, presses to handstand, pirouettes, flips, splits, and holds. Bike, run, swim, row, etc, hard and fast. Five or six days per week mix these elements in as many combinations and patterns as creativity will allow. Routine is the enemy. Keep workouts short and intense. Regularly learn and play new sports.
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Old 10-14-2004, 06:48 PM   #10
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Re: What else do you do to keep fit?

I do tai Chi, Chi Gong, Relax, gardening (Which is harder than it sounds as I live on the side of a mountain) and the only diet I follow is eat a little of everything not a lot of anything. The only weight training I do is for my physiotherapy on my knees & wrists. other than that I occasionally do some ground fighting training after class.
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Old 10-14-2004, 06:56 PM   #11
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Re: What else do you do to keep fit?

I suggest you stop doing knuckle push ups, they do more damage than good. (you won't be able to move your fingers eventually if you keep it up. no joke.)

I like to use a bokken (works wonders for upper body), and am considering taking Filipino Martial Arts class, and maybe...tkd..
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Old 10-14-2004, 11:24 PM   #12
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Re: What else do you do to keep fit?

I do kenjutsu.

It's excellent as it's definitely along the lines of more repitition rather than more weight. Doing 1000 cuts is an extremely good workout. That along with continual swing cutting and kata that involve moving your entire body are excellent when done for a long time.

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Old 10-15-2004, 12:37 AM   #13
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Re: What else do you do to keep fit?

Commute to work by mountain bike - that's about 80 miles a week of stop and go and sprinting to keep ahead and dodge cars.

at least now that it is cooling off, I am not being drenched in sweat.

Yoga

some body weight resistive training and some gymnastics

swimming

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Old 10-15-2004, 12:54 AM   #14
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Re: What else do you do to keep fit?

Some Iaido styles and Kenjutsu styles I hear are a workout...

I've heard people say they're rather spend a whole day doing breakfalls than an hour in a certain style of iaido (Muso Shinden I think, might have been Eishin)
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Old 10-15-2004, 06:50 AM   #15
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Re: What else do you do to keep fit?

Go to gym once/twice a week. Doing treadmill, rower, rotex, stepper, bike. Freeweights (which are grrrreat!) and weights machines (leg press, adductor, abductor, chest press). Stability ball crunches, skipping. Heart rate goes up to 175 BPM quite frequently on the rotex and treadmill, which is faintly scary.

Karate, too. And they require you to do those knuckle (seiken) push-ups. I have a hunch they're bad for your hands too, but it's for conditioning your hands so your hand/wrist are strong enough to hit hard without buckling and so that the tendons in your 1st 2 knuckles move over when you clench a fist. Gives you discoloured crusty knuckles (removable with 30 a pot facial scrub/mask if anyone was wondering). Not very elegant, especially for ladies! Makes the backs of your arms nice and toned though, if you like wearing sleeveless items.

Aikido classes have been really good workout recently. Breakfalling lots is really taxing! And you must burn off loads of calories just picking yourself up off the floor X times per session.
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Old 10-15-2004, 01:26 PM   #16
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Re: What else do you do to keep fit?

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I suggest you stop doing knuckle push ups, they do more damage than good. (you won't be able to move your fingers eventually if you keep it up. no joke.)
Curious. Have you had that experience, or known someone who had?

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Old 10-15-2004, 01:52 PM   #17
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Re: What else do you do to keep fit?

I like to do about 500 cuts with my bokken kendo style, makes my arms go to jelly but it toughens me up. Scrunches, push ups, weights, karate and jogging.
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Old 10-15-2004, 02:03 PM   #18
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Re: What else do you do to keep fit?

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Some Iaido styles and Kenjutsu styles I hear are a workout...

I've heard people say they're rather spend a whole day doing breakfalls than an hour in a certain style of iaido (Muso Shinden I think, might have been Eishin)
try the Hassagawa Eishin chuden set continuous for an hour and your legs will be having fun. ;-) All down starting from the old style sitting method of tatehiza (you start sitting your butt on your left heel and the ball of your right foot on the ground with right knee down to the side, and you are supposed to be balance and poised to quickly launch from this position). Even more fun is the exercise of continously flowing through all ten of this kata without stopping between and maintaining full concentration.

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Old 10-15-2004, 06:22 PM   #19
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Curious. Have you had that experience, or known someone who had?

=wl
A Sifu at a dojo down the street knew a lot of fighters who can no longer write their own name.

And sadly theres no Iaido schools near me except http://makdojo.com/makiai.html

and it's 40 miles away

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Old 10-15-2004, 06:33 PM   #20
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Re: What else do you do to keep fit?

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And sadly theres no Iaido schools near me except http://makdojo.com/makiai.html

and it's 40 miles away

I was about to say 40 miles isn't far but then I read the lineage of the Iaido there and I would say 5 miles would be too far for such a mish-mash made up style with a weird name (for Japanese).

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Old 10-15-2004, 06:56 PM   #21
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Re: What else do you do to keep fit?

http://makdojo.com/makiai.htm

my bad
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Old 10-15-2004, 08:31 PM   #22
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Re: What else do you do to keep fit?

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I was about to say 40 miles isn't far but then I read the lineage of the Iaido there and I would say 5 miles would be too far for such a mish-mash made up style with a weird name (for Japanese).
I don't know, as long as they're clear about where it came from and how it started it isn't any worse then practicing a mish-mash made up style with a weird name like Aikido.

Wasn't every school a mish-mash made up style at some point?

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Old 10-15-2004, 10:02 PM   #23
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Re: What else do you do to keep fit?

For cardio - a healthy dose of randori, jiyu waza and ukemi

For upper body strength - Bokken practice

For lower body - randori, jiyu waza and suwari waza techniques

For abs - Back breakfalls, eat less carbo

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Old 10-16-2004, 12:49 AM   #24
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A Sifu at a dojo down the street knew a lot of fighters who can no longer write their own name.
Ah, but was that because of the knuckle pushups, or because they got hit too much in the head?

Seriously, it just seems really unlikely to me. You're talking about making a fist and doing pushups on them right? I don't understand how that could cause long-term finger damage.

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Old 10-16-2004, 01:16 AM   #25
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