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Old 07-23-2004, 04:28 PM   #1
Charles Hill
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saotome videos

Hi,

Can anyone give me detailed info on Saotome Sensei's videos, Takemusu Aiki and or Oyo Henka?

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Old 07-23-2004, 05:27 PM   #2
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Re: saotome videos

Charles: I have both. They are well worth the investment although there is some overlap (i.e., similar techniques/concepts).
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Old 07-23-2004, 05:31 PM   #3
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Re: saotome videos

Details: oops. It's been awhile since I've watched the Takemusu Aiki tape so I can't comment much on that one. The Oyo Henka take basically takes one through the stopping points of the technique by uke and shows the freestyle practical responses to the resistance-i.e., finding the non resistance point. The Takemusu Aiki if I recall correctly is a little more oriented towards a kaeshi waza approach-Saotome takes the ukemi and turns the technique into something else. Again-it's been a while on this one so I may be off in confusing different aspects of the Oyo Henka tape.
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Old 07-23-2004, 10:44 PM   #4
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Re: saotome videos

Thanks John.

Bit of a stupid question, but if you got only one, which would you get?

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Old 07-24-2004, 03:21 AM   #5
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Re: saotome videos

If you're looking for someone who can do a near 100% imitation of "old-man Ueshiba Aikido", then it should be right up your alley.
If you're looking for something more grounded in reality, check out the Moriteru Ueshiba DVD that just came out... its very similar in movement but there's a noticeably better balance of flowery vs. powerful/fast... in my humble opinion.
Plus the ukes actually do a semblance of attack for a change.
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Old 07-24-2004, 07:08 AM   #6
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Re: saotome videos

Probably Oyo Henka but that's mainly because I like to do creative variations.
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Old 07-24-2004, 10:25 AM   #7
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Re: saotome videos

I only have the Takemusi Aiki and not the Oyo Henka. I really enjoy the one I have but where can I purchase the Oyo Henka?

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Old 07-24-2004, 12:46 PM   #8
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I think I bought mine from either aikido Today or budovideo. Don't remember. I'm pretty sure Aikido Today has them since the owners are students of Saotome sensei and I believe Ron Perry may have even been the one narrating the tapes.
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Old 07-24-2004, 04:02 PM   #9
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Re: saotome videos

Quote:
Aleksey Sundeyev wrote:
If you're looking for someone who can do a near 100% imitation of "old-man Ueshiba Aikido", then it should be right up your alley.
If you're looking for something more grounded in reality, check out the Moriteru Ueshiba DVD that just came out... its very similar in movement but there's a noticeably better balance of flowery vs. powerful/fast... in my humble opinion.
Plus the ukes actually do a semblance of attack for a change.
A friend of mine pretty much summed up my feelings about watching Moriteru Ueshiba. He said "I love watching him, he has such clean basic technique - but it always makes me sleepy."

Saotome may look flowery to some eyes, but he can certainly put you on the ground in a hurry.

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Chris

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Old 07-25-2004, 12:23 PM   #10
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Re: saotome videos

Quote:
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Saotome may look flowery to some eyes, but he can certainly put you on the ground in a hurry.
I can see what you mean about being flowery, but to do so, I have to think of the videos. People left with that impression, I think, haven't seen the man on the mat.

My first associations when I think of Saotome do not involve being flowery, but being very direct and fast. To emphasize his student Ikeda Hiroshi makes, big movement is for beginners. If I read it right, Saotome's videos are for demonstrations for teaching, not applications in fighting.

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Old 07-25-2004, 04:13 PM   #11
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[b]Charles, I never get tired of watching Saotome on video... Oyo Henka is a good one because i see something different every time. Take musu aiki gives a grand aiki tour. Get them both and you'll have no regrets. In gassho, tamonmark
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