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Old 06-29-2004, 10:55 PM   #1
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Wrist pain

Seems that recently I have started to develop pain in my wrists that becomes very apparant if I try to stretch them (slight pain/ache) or practise a technique that works against the wrist (then a sharp pain).

I dont practice that much..about 3 times a week.

Can anyone suggest anything that could help either strengthen my wrists or lessen the pain.

Although I reckon a rest might be in order, I dont want to have to take an extended break unless I really need to.....any suggestions anyone?
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Old 06-30-2004, 12:52 AM   #2
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Seems that recently I have started to develop pain in my wrists that becomes very apparant if I try to stretch them (slight pain/ache) or practise a technique that works against the wrist (then a sharp pain).

I dont practice that much..about 3 times a week.

Can anyone suggest anything that could help either strengthen my wrists or lessen the pain.

Although I reckon a rest might be in order, I dont want to have to take an extended break unless I really need to.....any suggestions anyone?
It sounds as if you are at the beginning stages of a repetitive stress injury. There is a homeopathic which ofetn helps called "ruta graveolens". It is specific to connective tissue and might help. We have used it at the dojo for years with good effect.

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Old 06-30-2004, 01:30 AM   #3
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Re: Wrist pain

Lee,

I don't know how long you have been training, could just be the body getting used to things? Could be that you had some strong techniques applied and you have a sprain or strain of some sort, or it could be as George suggests, the start of a repetitive stress injury.

I agree with George on the Ruta Grav, I use a formulated cream version of it (http://www.nelsonshomoeopathy.co.uk/...91765233.shtml) in conjunction with tablets (http://www.nelsonshomoeopathy.co.uk/...92110262.shtml).

Where abouts in Japan are you?


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Old 06-30-2004, 06:41 AM   #4
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Re: Wrist pain

Lee,

The wrist is a very complex joint, and you use them an awful lot in daily life.

Before you start any treatment beyond rest and ice, you might be wise to have your regular doctor order an MRI and refer you to a hand surgeon who will have a good shot at determining what's happening medically.

Best of luck!

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Old 06-30-2004, 06:42 AM   #5
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Hi Lee,

You have already received good advice, take care we do not want you taking on Tendonitus or Tensinitus. This problem usually involves an operation to surgically pare down the tendon. When I have come across this problem previously, I have known Dr`s suggest an 18 month rest recovery program.

Proper warm up proceedures, not neccessarily vigorous, caring Nage`s, three times a week may still be too strong while your recovering, and the advice you have received from the gentlmen before me, surely can help.
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Old 06-30-2004, 10:32 AM   #6
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Wrist problems can range from a simple mechanical joint problem to more serious problems. Tendonitis or muscle/ligament injury are the most common with our art. Stretching helps. Bracing might also be advisable (tape the wrists or use wrist brace). Have your training partners ease up or tap out earlier. Ice after training and when painful. Anti-inflammatories and analgesic creams may also give you some relief. I have not had any experience with the homeopathic remedy cited although there are many good homeopathics for such injuries. If using a cream avoid going to your eyes, especially if it has capsaicin in it. The old acronym RICE (rest, ice, compression and if swelling elevation).
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Old 06-30-2004, 02:40 PM   #7
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Re: Wrist pain

If the traditional treatments are not working for you (heat, ice, ibuprofen, etc..) I found a great acupuncturist who did some very good things for my wrists. I recommend to all of my friends to try the magnetic wrist wraps. Yes, I know you all are going "That's crap!' 'Cuz I've posted the Magnetic Therapy thread here once before and a bunch of you raked me over the coals for it. So, unless you've tried it, don't knock it, and read you own article before you start posting them! "Inconsistent" and "Inconclusive" does not mean it's crap and doesn't work.

Best of luck Lee.

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Old 06-30-2004, 03:00 PM   #8
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I have occasional trouble with my wrists. Most of us need our hands to work in order to function at our workplace, so I am all for preserving this vital joint. I wear wrist braces which don't have a hard insert in them (for the comfort of my dojo friends) This signals to fellow aikidoka that this wrist is to be treated carefully, and protects it to a certain extent. The other approach I use if I am feeling good and feel the need to protect the wrist is good old "unbendable wrist" Relax, extend ki.

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Old 06-30-2004, 05:07 PM   #9
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Lloyd: I believe there are some research studies supporting medical magnets. The problem is likely they are inconsistent in results since there is not criteria developed as to when they might be effective. I have used them on my wrist with good results.
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Old 06-30-2004, 06:32 PM   #10
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Re: Wrist pain

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"Inconsistent" and "Inconclusive" does not mean it's crap and doesn't work.

Best of luck Lee.

No, it just means placebo.

It just means that the body is such a wonderfully dynamic machine that a certain percentage will get better no matter what they do and
often they are doing things known to help like going easy, avoiding
movements, getting rest, etc while at the same time doing alternative things that there is scanty or no evidence for like using homeopathic cremes or acupuncture (that at it's best is just removing symptoms).

The problem is with those who don't get better when doing what amounts to nothing but letting time pass has happened. When there is a delay in diagnosis and treatment of a serious problem that the body is not able to heal by itself.

Since there has already been some good advice, no need to say more.
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Old 07-01-2004, 12:05 AM   #11
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Many thanks for everyone who has taken the time to reply to my post. There`s a lot of good advice there which I will be trying. The homeopathic approach looks interesting and I will certainly be trying those magnetic bracelets....if we dont know if they work, then we dont know if they dont..so they`re good enough for me! thanks once again..
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Old 07-01-2004, 02:23 AM   #12
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Re: Wrist pain

actually the latest more extensive studies show that they (magnetic bracelets) don't work and there never has been any good reasons to expect that they would other than claims that don't stand up under careful scrutiny.

but some look quite stylish like the ones sold by the guy who does custom framing for me, so have fun with them, it's only your money.
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Old 11-24-2004, 10:58 AM   #13
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Meh, magnets are dubious. I mean, maybe, some people swear by them, but I really havent had any luck. In my opinion, find a good, deep massage therapist. I suggest shiatsu, kiatsu, tui na, or my personal favorite Thai massage (nuat phaen borarn thai). As far as reversing tissue/tendon strain and potentially preventing surgery, I think that is your best bet.
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Old 11-24-2004, 06:27 PM   #14
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I get a pain in both wrists if I try to do push ups or any similar open-palm pushing. This pain started about four years before I began Aikido.
A monthly adjustment by my chiropractor seems to be, slowly, bringing the bones back into alignment. I've been taking Glucosamine/chondroiten but I can't tell if it's helping. Glucosamine/chondroiten definitely helped a leg problem I had a few years ago. It's relatively cheap so I'd give it a try if the homeopathic stuff suggested above doesn't help.
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Old 11-24-2004, 07:27 PM   #15
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Re: Wrist pain

Hey...been a while since I posted this but thanks everyone for the replies. What I did was drop down to trainingfrom 3 times to twice a week but it still hurt.
Sensei said "always train and you will get stronger"..so I did (but was careful to point out to Uke that it hurt on certain techniques so they were a little careful)...now some 2 months later all is well...no pain at all.
I was also careul not to stretch the wrist when not training (previously I liked to stretch them every day)

Hope this may be of use to someone else sometime

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Old 11-25-2004, 01:38 AM   #16
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I get a pain in both wrists if I try to do push ups or any similar open-palm pushing. This pain started about four years before I began Aikido.
A monthly adjustment by my chiropractor seems to be, slowly, bringing the bones back into alignment. I've been taking Glucosamine/chondroiten but I can't tell if it's helping. Glucosamine/chondroiten definitely helped a leg problem I had a few years ago. It's relatively cheap so I'd give it a try if the homeopathic stuff suggested above doesn't help.

Hi Dan,

You may want to consider trying Glucosamine without Chondroitin. I'm not trying to scare monger but I came across these when I was Googling on knee pain a few months back. At the time I found one report that suggests Chondroitin may not be good for the male as there is a link to prostate cancer. Apparently, prostate cancer cells contain chondroitin, if you have, or have had the condition, taking additional Chondroitin may give the cancer an unexpected boost.

I hasten to add that I only found the one report, I can't find it this morning to link to for you, but if you google all the words, I found a couple more that mention the report and that it needs further investigation.

Personally, I'm not aware that I have the condition but it was warning enough to take Glucosamine without Chondroitin, better to be safe.

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Old 11-25-2004, 08:23 AM   #17
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Thanks, I have both kinds of pills. I'll just use up the anti-prostate version ( just a few pills left) and switch.
I'm not too worried about chondroiten, I like living on the edge.
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Old 11-25-2004, 11:50 AM   #18
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tape your wrist with electrical tape the smooth shiny kind not the tape you put on base ball bats, before class for a couple of weeks the tape supports your wrist just enough and electric tape won't cut off the circulation it ends up stretching by the end of class and tap early.
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Old 11-28-2004, 03:12 PM   #19
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I'd agree with posts advising rest, as well as those advising what are often referred to as "complementary alternative methods". I work as a hand therapist, and am open to any number of different treatments. That being the case, I just wish to reiterate the earlier post which said that the wrist is a complex joint. It's possible to do some damage to structures that surgery won't completely resolve.
Take care - stretch, rest it, eat right, sleep right, and yes, stand up straight. And no, I'm not anyone's Mom; posture is a significant factor in repetitive stress injuries. That's one of the things that is so great about MA.
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Old 12-01-2004, 03:23 AM   #20
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I was also careul not to stretch the wrist when not training (previously I liked to stretch them every day)
Sounds like you might just have ben stretching them too often too much... RSI from stretching? Can happen...

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