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Old 01-26-2001, 07:30 AM   #1
Sam
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Irimi-nage - literal meaning -enter and throw. Isn't this all aikido technique?
I know which technique most people call irimi-nage. Is there a more precise term??
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Old 01-26-2001, 07:52 AM   #2
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Sam wrote:
Irimi-nage - literal meaning -enter and throw. Isn't this all aikido technique?
I know which technique most people call irimi-nage. Is there a more precise term??
Hello Sam,

...that's about as 'precise' as any technique gets! At least it gives you a hint of what to do ...'irimi' = enter ...'nage' = throw ...Ok, I enter, then throw! ...Cool!

...how about 'ikkyo' ....'nikyo' ...'sankyo' ...'yonkyo' ...no help what so ever with these!!!!

...and the REALLY ambiguous one being 'kokyunage' ...which I've come to understand means ANY technique that doesn't have a name yet!

That's the way it goes! ...Good luck! :^)

Brian Vickery

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Old 01-26-2001, 08:08 AM   #3
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I like to think of it this way - maybe someone else has a better explanation, but this is where I operate from:
If I am moving through uke's center at the point of the throw, then it has an irimi element (granted the lead could also have had an irimi element, but I'm concentrating on the throw specifically). If I am moving uke's center around my own at the time of the throw, then I think it has more of a kokyu element involved. Many throws can have an irimi element (kaitenage, for example, with a step through uke's space), but what sets the irimi family apart is that there is no other wrist/arm/elbow/head control involved with the entering movement. It's just nage, uke, and the entering does the throw.

Hope that helps.

Tim

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Old 01-26-2001, 09:31 AM   #4
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I think that naming the technique iriminage was an attempt at being precise. According to Terry Dobson, prior to Ueshiba Osensei's death the technique was referred to as kokyunage! I prefer the term "20 year" technique, myself.

Gene
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Old 01-26-2001, 10:24 AM   #5
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I think that naming the technique iriminage was an attempt at being precise. According to Terry Dobson, prior to Ueshiba Osensei's death the technique was referred to as kokyunage!
Ki Society people call the Aikikai version of iriminage as "kokyunage" and the Aikikai version of kokyunage (the technique, not the big group of techniques) as "iriminage"...

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