Welcome to AikiWeb Aikido Information
AikiWeb: The Source for Aikido Information
AikiWeb's principal purpose is to serve the Internet community as a repository and dissemination point for aikido information.

Sections
home
aikido articles
columns

Discussions
forums
aikiblogs

Databases
dojo search
seminars
image gallery
supplies
links directory

Reviews
book reviews
video reviews
dvd reviews
equip. reviews

News
submit
archive

Miscellaneous
newsletter
rss feeds
polls
about

Follow us on



Home > AikiWeb Aikido Forums
Go Back   AikiWeb Aikido Forums > General

Hello and thank you for visiting AikiWeb, the world's most active online Aikido community! This site is home to over 22,000 aikido practitioners from around the world and covers a wide range of aikido topics including techniques, philosophy, history, humor, beginner issues, the marketplace, and more.

If you wish to join in the discussions or use the other advanced features available, you will need to register first. Registration is absolutely free and takes only a few minutes to complete so sign up today!

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 04-26-2004, 01:39 PM   #1
Gibby
Dojo: Ryokukai
Location: Michigan
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 4
Offline
Dizzy

I have been doing akidio for about the past 2/3 weeks, 3 times a week. I really enjoy the time at the Dojo. I recently started working on my front rolls, i have the rolls down pretty good, but when I stand up I get really dizzy and light headed. Is there a way to overcome this? Does it just happen with time?

Thanks.
Scott
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2004, 01:56 PM   #2
otto
Dojo: Independent
Location: Maracaibo/Zulia
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 149
Venezuela
Offline
Re: Dizzy

Sounds like you're not breathing properly Scott , try not to hold your breath during the rolls....also , focusing on a far spot helped me overcome that nuisance...

Else , the usual....practice practice practice...

"Perfection is a Process"
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2004, 01:58 PM   #3
Gibby
Dojo: Ryokukai
Location: Michigan
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 4
Offline
Re: Dizzy

Ottoniel Ojeda
Thank you for your response, i do hold my breath

thanks again,
Scott
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2004, 03:55 PM   #4
PeaceHeather
Dojo: hopefully Purdue Aikido Club
Location: Indiana
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 158
United_States
Offline
Re: Dizzy

I am prone to motion sickness and get dizzy, regardless of whether I breathe through the roll or not. Urgh.

Heather
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2004, 06:00 PM   #5
Gibby
Dojo: Ryokukai
Location: Michigan
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 4
Offline
Re: Dizzy

Heather, I get motion sickness as well. I cant read in a car, i cant play alot of the 1st person video games. Has it gotten better for you? I have doing some research, I read that ginger root is great for helping over come motion sickness. Everything that I have read states its better then the leading motion sickness medications. I am going to pick some up this week, i will see how it works out....
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2004, 06:26 PM   #6
Noel
Location: Rochester, NY
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 86
Offline
Re: Dizzy

Best thing to cure dizzy is a lot of rolls on a regular basis, IMO. After each class, try and do twenty rolls as quickly as you can, without hurting yourself or someone else. You'll be dizzy as all heck the first few times, but it will improve.

-Noel
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2004, 07:05 PM   #7
Benjie Lu
Dojo: Don Galo, Parañaque
Location: Manila, Philippines
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 19
Offline
Re: Dizzy

I try to look up the ceiling whenever I stop rolling from our extended rolling drills. This helps me dissipate the dizzy feeling. Also taking a few deep breaths immediately after will help. And please don't stand up immediately if you feel dizzy because you might fall over and injure yourself. Wait awhile, I'm sure your instructors will understand for safety reasons.

As advised in the previous posts, practice will help you in reducing the dizzy feeling after rolling.

Hope this helps and keep on training! =)

Benjie Lu
Manila, Philippines
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2004, 08:54 PM   #8
PeaceHeather
Dojo: hopefully Purdue Aikido Club
Location: Indiana
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 158
United_States
Offline
Re: Dizzy

Hi Scott,

I'm a tiny bit better now that I'm older, but I'm still prone to motion sickness. I've never tried ginger root -- I do know that ingested ginger is good for settling the stomach, though.

One of my senseis repeated the advice a lot of folks here have given: training gets you used to it, and properly executed rolls seem to make you less dizzy than badly executed ones. So, roll a lot until you get used to it, I guess...

Heather
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2004, 09:27 PM   #9
PeterR
 
PeterR's Avatar
Dojo: Shodokan Honbu (Osaka)
Location: Himeji, Japan
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 3,010
Japan
Offline
Re: Dizzy

I met a guy who researched motion sickness for the Canadian Space program - he had this machine that flipped cats around and a larger one built for himself and his human subjects. Apparently D2O and Alcohol are quite good preventing it.

D2O is expensive, answer train drunk. <---- humor.

Serious answer - don't role a lot. Role until you start to become dizzy and then a couple more. No need to get sick and ruin the rest of your practice. During general practice you do roles much less frequently allowing your equilibrium to recover.

Peter Rehse Shodokan Aikido
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2004, 10:13 AM   #10
aikidoc
Dojo: Aikido of Midland
Location: Midland Texas
Join Date: Dec 2000
Posts: 1,652
United_States
Offline
Re: Dizzy

My wife just started aikido and she takes a couple of dramamine before class. Seems to help.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2004, 10:36 AM   #11
justinm
Location: Maidenhead
Join Date: Dec 2000
Posts: 167
United Kingdom
Offline
Re: Dizzy

I suffer from very bad motion sickness. Once the nausea has set in it can take several hours for me to recover. I'd agree with Peter - do enough to start to get a little dizzy but do not overdo it. Build it up over time - it does get better.

The bad news for me is that it gets worse again if I reduce the number of rolls so it is not a permament fix. Just have to keep training

Justin

Justin McCarthy
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2004, 12:56 PM   #12
Gibby
Dojo: Ryokukai
Location: Michigan
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 4
Offline
Re: Dizzy

Thanks all, we will see how things go tonight!!
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2004, 01:16 PM   #13
PeaceHeather
Dojo: hopefully Purdue Aikido Club
Location: Indiana
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 158
United_States
Offline
Re: Dizzy

As a side note -- dramamine is *evil*. I don't know if it's the caffeine included in some motion sickness pills, or if it's the mental thing of "oh jeez I hope I don't get sick", but I have found myself nauseous *after* taking dramamine, but *before* starting the motion that would otherwise cause dizziness.

Evil.

Heather
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2004, 02:48 PM   #14
aikidoc
Dojo: Aikido of Midland
Location: Midland Texas
Join Date: Dec 2000
Posts: 1,652
United_States
Offline
Re: Dizzy

If you can't take Dramamine there are other options: some take ginger; others take scopalomine (prescription).
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2004, 06:02 PM   #15
PeterR
 
PeterR's Avatar
Dojo: Shodokan Honbu (Osaka)
Location: Himeji, Japan
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 3,010
Japan
Offline
Re: Dizzy

Quote:
John Riggs wrote:
If you can't take Dramamine there are other options: some take ginger; others take scopalomine (prescription).
Does Dramamine affect your ability to balance? I was joking about the alcohol - very wary about taking drugs of any sort onto the mat.

Peter Rehse Shodokan Aikido
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2004, 09:14 PM   #16
aikidoc
Dojo: Aikido of Midland
Location: Midland Texas
Join Date: Dec 2000
Posts: 1,652
United_States
Offline
Re: Dizzy

Dramamine is an over the counter car sickness tablet. It shouldn't be a problem on the mat other than some people might get a little drowsy.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2004, 09:21 PM   #17
PeterR
 
PeterR's Avatar
Dojo: Shodokan Honbu (Osaka)
Location: Himeji, Japan
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 3,010
Japan
Offline
Re: Dizzy

Thanks John;

Still drowsy on the mat is not a good idea. Stand by the contention that it is better to adjust your training than to pop pills.

Peter Rehse Shodokan Aikido
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2004, 09:31 PM   #18
PeaceHeather
Dojo: hopefully Purdue Aikido Club
Location: Indiana
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 158
United_States
Offline
Re: Dizzy

Quote:
John Riggs wrote:
Dramamine is an over the counter car sickness tablet. It shouldn't be a problem on the mat other than some people might get a little drowsy.
If I remember right, some imitation versions of dramamine contain caffeine, possibly to speed up the drug's effect -- but that's why I keep remembering that dramamine makes me jittery and nauseous. If you're up for an experiment, perhaps having a coffee before practice will be helpful for you, without giving you as strong a dosage as the pill would.

Huh. Just did a little research... the main ingredient in Benadryl is one of the same four main ingredients likely to be found in most other over-the-counter medicines for motion sickness -- they're all antihistamines, including Dramamine. Who knew?

http://www.fda.gov/fdac/reprints/tummy.html

Info on the four main ingredients used.
Heather
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2004, 11:15 PM   #19
aikidoc
Dojo: Aikido of Midland
Location: Midland Texas
Join Date: Dec 2000
Posts: 1,652
United_States
Offline
Re: Dizzy

Peter. Agree on taking pills but it's better than hurling on the mat
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2004, 11:35 PM   #20
PeterR
 
PeterR's Avatar
Dojo: Shodokan Honbu (Osaka)
Location: Himeji, Japan
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 3,010
Japan
Offline
Re: Dizzy

Quote:
John Riggs wrote:
Peter. Agree on taking pills but it's better than hurling on the mat
What a horrible image. I can just imagine the carnage.

Just taking this off on a bit of a tangent but generally how inclusive does one have to be for various infirmities.

I like to think I am quite accommodating and do allow quite a bit of flexibility with respect to intensity of training but I would consider Aikido to be not for everyone.

With respect to dizziness - if it really is that bad should you be doing Aikido. Same thing with blindness, hemophilia, etc. Questions of can I safely teach you, will your involvement negatively affect the training of me and my students, come to mind.

Peter Rehse Shodokan Aikido
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2004, 06:41 AM   #21
happysod
Dojo: Kiburn, London, UK
Location: London
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 899
United Kingdom
Offline
Re: Dizzy

Quote:
how inclusive does one have to be for various infirmities
joining the thread hijack here - difficult one, I go on the rule that, if they stick it, so will I, as long as the other students aren't neglected as a consequence.

I won't pander to any physical disability beyond what help is needed to adapt any particular technique and (so far) the students who have some learning difficulties may have initially needed more instruction, but seem to have come up to speed nicely.

John, would you consider hurling an atemi (sorry couldn't resist )
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2004, 07:48 AM   #22
foad
Location: Zagreb
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 3
Croatia
Offline
Re: Dizzy

I had the same problem, and i solve it with focusing on one spot from the begging to the end of roll.
But the best way is just to practice them all the time because there is no advanced aikido without rolls/ukemi.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2004, 08:33 PM   #23
PeterR
 
PeterR's Avatar
Dojo: Shodokan Honbu (Osaka)
Location: Himeji, Japan
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 3,010
Japan
Offline
Re: Dizzy

Quote:
foad wrote:
I had the same problem, and i solve it with focusing on one spot from the begging to the end of roll.
But the best way is just to practice them all the time because there is no advanced aikido without rolls/ukemi.
The Shodokan system is actually very gentle with respect to roles and ukemi.

First test - ushiro and yoko ukemi (no rolling at all).
Second test - forward roll from kneeling
Third test (about nine months into training) forward role from standing.

Most of our ukemi really is ushiro (without the roles).

So when I returned back to Canada I joined an Aikikai dojo that was role happy (in my view). I could do the roles fine but also got dizzy. Got over it though. Still don't think that you particularily need roles to do advanced Aikido - although you certainly need to be competent at certain other types of ukemi.

Peter Rehse Shodokan Aikido
  Reply With Quote

Please visit our sponsor:

AikiWeb Sponsored Links - Place your Aikido link here for only $10!



Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Dizzy doing rolls Thinker General 21 02-21-2002 08:09 PM
Dizzy after practicing rolls Daniel Trottier General 10 05-22-2001 05:40 AM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:32 AM.



vBulletin Copyright © 2000-2014 Jelsoft Enterprises Limited
----------
Copyright 1997-2014 AikiWeb and its Authors, All Rights Reserved.
----------
For questions and comments about this website:
Send E-mail
plainlaid-picaresque outchasing-protistan explicantia-altarage seaford-stellionate