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Old 03-11-2004, 11:56 AM   #1
toranaga
Dojo: Aikido Praxis Club (RS)
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Ai symbol About the "begining ritual"

Hi!

I don't know if this happen everywhere, but here at Brazil (at the three dojo's I've ever trained) we begin an train with a kind of pray, that finish with a "twice clap".

Could someone explain me why do we do that, please?

Thanks!


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Old 03-11-2004, 11:39 PM   #2
Tom Wolowiec
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Don't quote me on this... but I think it's like in a Shinto shrine when you clap to awaken the gods.

But... for all I know, it could just be a way to get the blood flowing in your hands...

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Old 03-12-2004, 10:48 AM   #3
William Westdyke
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I now train at an Iwama style dojo in Arizona and though I haven't researched the issue I have heard the same as Tom. Clapping twice awakens the Kami to watch over the practice.

William

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Old 03-12-2004, 01:16 PM   #4
ikkitosennomusha
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Funny thing is, some self-proclaimed dojo do this because they watched "above the law" and they don't even know what it is for.

I believe you can clap up to 4 times maybe 5. So my guess is that, it is part of shinto religion. First clap is to awaken the dead aiki-spirits that have mastered the art before you and the second is so they will be with you while you train.

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Old 03-13-2004, 08:30 AM   #5
toranaga
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To awake the Kami... hmmmm, quite nice!

I asked that because once I've a Sensei that didn't that and explained he wouldn't do something he doesn't understand.

And you (Brad) said about clap four times... This happen yesterday, that was new to me and I really get lost!


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Old 03-16-2004, 12:44 AM   #6
Olga Mihailova
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From what I know clapping has a variety of meanings depending on your purpose, the number of claps etc. In general that must be a form of Misogi. There's been a thread on it once with great explanations from Furuya-sensei. It made me understand this ritual much better, but unfortunately I don't remember it as good to quote.

We do clapping almost every training and I really like it. Together with mokuso it makes you feel completely different from how you felt before the training.

We do two claps in the beginning and two or three in the end. I prefer three, it seems to finish the training better.
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