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Old 02-06-2004, 01:39 PM   #1
Paula Lydon
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Talking whimsical question

~~Just for fun: If O Sensei was still alive (ignoring all non-Aikido implications therein) what do you think Aikido would be like? Would look like? The organization, ect?
~~Yep, still bored at work...

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Old 02-06-2004, 09:33 PM   #2
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facetious answer:

A raisen flinging grown men and women to the ground with pure ki!



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Old 02-06-2004, 10:53 PM   #3
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1969 to 2004 is 35 years. 86 + 35 years is 121 years.

This year would make O'sensei 121 years old and therefore some people would go study aikido because it seems to extend lifespan.

There won't be a picture of O'sensei to bow at on the kamiza. ( Or would there? I wonder.. )

Yearly Live Telecast from Japan's honbu dojo. and more people will go train to Japan.

There will only be one style: His style.

We'll have more aikido instructional videos from O'sensei.

Discovery channel will interview him.

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Old 02-07-2004, 10:19 AM   #4
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Discovery channel will interview him.
I wonder how big the phenomenon of Aikido would get with tv and the internet and all.

Survivor: Hombu maybe?
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Old 02-07-2004, 04:48 PM   #5
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~~I wonder, would it be called Aikido anymore? Look at the changes from it's inseption to the day Uashiba Sensie died.

~~Or would he have 'outgrown' the practice of Aikido? Leaving it to his senior students to carry on, as happened, but with less splintering and bickering?

~~Would franchises have been sold--O Sensie Dojo, Inc.?

~~Become a cult? A merchandising meca?

~~Imploded because it could only grow in one direction with Uashiba Sensei still around?

~~Hmmmm, hmmmm, hmmmm...

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Old 02-07-2004, 04:54 PM   #6
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If O-Sensei still lived today, his Aikido would be incredibly soft and subtle, he would have beatiful tai-sabaki and be able to virtually be anywhere on the mat at will.

He would be as powerful a spiritual leader as the dalai lama and yet not one of us would be able to do effective Aikido. Why? because we would all be trying to emulate him at his current age and skill level and forget that he only got there after many long years of hard training and by evolving his own personal Aikido to that point.

mmm, wait a minute...
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Old 02-08-2004, 09:23 AM   #7
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O'Sensei Dojo Inc.

lol, that had me chuckling for ages when I read that. Seems a bit too close to McDojo, though...

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Old 02-08-2004, 09:39 AM   #8
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O'Sensei by now would have tapped into that portion of the brain that people no longer use. It is said that in modern times, we only use 10% of the brain. O'Sensei would probably be ut to 50 or 60 by now. His technique would most likely be less physical and more physiological. I think he would be able to generate ki and throw you before he actually made contact. If you think I'm crazy, then you tell me how the Egyptians built pyramids and othe great structures without machines, trucks, or any other type of modern day construction tools. I also think O'Sensei's technique would be minimal. Meaning, I think that his techniques would be very direct, free flowing and straight to the point.

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Old 02-08-2004, 12:16 PM   #9
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actually, nafis-san

discovery channel already simulated the building of the pyramid, with complete technical demonstration and proofs to back it up. It's very low-tech, highly reliant on manpower, yet effective.

But.. I've seen some ki-aikido in action, and...
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O'Sensei by now would have tapped into that portion of the brain that people no longer use. It is said that in modern times, we only use 10% of the brain. O'Sensei would probably be ut to 50 or 60 by now. His technique would most likely be less physical and more physiological. I think he would be able to generate ki and throw you before he actually made contact.
...it CAN do something to this effect.

So, if his students nowadays can evolve aikido to this extent, he'll definitely do better.

Maybe stop wars just by thinking about it? Or just dissipate agression with a sneeze.

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Old 02-08-2004, 03:39 PM   #10
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If he was alive today then this abomination of competitive Aikido would have been knobbled before it had a chance to take off..

(IMO of course)

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Old 02-17-2004, 06:39 AM   #11
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will you people let the poor man sleep? lol.
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Old 02-17-2004, 11:24 AM   #12
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If you think I'm crazy, then you tell me how the Egyptians built pyramids and othe great structures without machines, trucks, or any other type of modern day construction tools.
Slave labor. With a short lifespan.

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Old 02-17-2004, 12:15 PM   #13
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Ukeme wouldn't resemble judo ukeme.

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Old 02-17-2004, 12:40 PM   #14
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Disgust Knobble this....

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If he was alive today then this abomination of competitive Aikido would have been knobbled before it had a chance to take off..
What, would he have killed all practitioners that advocate the use of competition in their training? Tomiki was one of the top students, if not the top student at the Hombu for a time, (not to mention Mochizuki) and his work on developing a "judo-style" randori within Aikido happened while Ueshiba was alive. It was only after Ueshiba's death that the split of political idealism occured. And what about regular, Aikikai-style randori? Isn't that competition?

I guess it's not that big a deal, just don't like the term "abomination". That was one of the incredible Hulk's enemies....

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Old 02-17-2004, 03:42 PM   #15
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Keep in mind too that tohei sensei, arguably the "true" successor of the art (not my opinion just from what i've heard) was really into Taigi.

no matter who's "in charge" of the art someone, is going to see it in a different way and change it to the way it best suits them.

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There will only be one style: His style
Not true. Shioda sensei left ueshiba before he died to found yoshinkan.

O sensei himself said "I have opened the doorway to aikido, but when i look back, no one is following me"

Plenty of peope had taken o sensei's aikido and turned it into their own before he died.
Regretably...


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Old 02-17-2004, 04:21 PM   #16
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He'd be levitating & throwing people from 10 feet away.

Alternatively, he'd just sit there & everyone would fall over with big smiles on their faces. ;-)

There would also be a whole bunch of freaky would-be cult followers taking it up.
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Old 02-17-2004, 04:22 PM   #17
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It is said that in modern times, we only use 10% of the brain.
It is indeed said, but only by people perptuating an urban myth without any actual truth to it.

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Old 02-17-2004, 04:35 PM   #18
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What, would he have killed all practitioners that advocate the use of competition in their training?
The competition is with yourself though.

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Old 02-17-2004, 05:29 PM   #19
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The competition is with yourself though.
What Jim said.

Competition would have it's place within the Aikikai as it did for several years before the founders death.

You would be surprised about the connections which still exist - those that understand understand perfectly.

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Old 02-17-2004, 06:56 PM   #20
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Nathan gidney (p00kiethebear) wrote:
O sensei himself said "I have opened the doorway to aikido, but when i look back, no one is following me"

Plenty of peope had taken o sensei's aikido and turned it into their own before he died.

Regretably...
There are also many instances of Ueshiba M. encouraging people to develop their own Aikido. Personally I see nothing regrettable in that at all - in fact the whole idea of Shu Ha Ri requires it.

By not following I am sure he meant those that emulated his movements as an old man but did not go through the hard training he did. Regrettably.

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Old 02-17-2004, 09:15 PM   #21
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Slave labor. With a short lifespan.
Actually they rented the heavy machinery from the Atlanteans.

As an aside - I read a good argument that the people who built the pyramids were actually volunteers (religous grounds) and/or paid. They excavated the town were the workers lived and found evidence of more wealth that you average expendable slave would be expected to own.

Possibly a levie system.

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Old 02-18-2004, 02:03 AM   #22
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if he's still alive,one thing for sure O sensei will still be farming at Iwama. Perhaps all dojo around the world will have a small garden for the students to do farming...

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Old 02-18-2004, 08:31 PM   #23
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I can just hear it now, "No, plow from your CENTER! "

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Old 02-19-2004, 04:13 AM   #24
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gardening? aikido students will probably cross-train with other martial art then, namely landscaping and botany

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Old 02-19-2004, 05:32 AM   #25
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Gracie gardening will soon rule as everyone knows all real gardening goes down to the moss. aikibotany will be derided for it's emphasis on inedible flowers and tomikibot will have split away for intense prairie grass competitions. The hombu will have formalised the true Osensei seed catalogue.
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