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Old 12-02-2003, 08:39 AM   #1
Jorge Garcia
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kokyudosa-kokyuho ?

When I was in USAF Midwest division under Akira Tohei, they would call the last tachnique of class that most all are familiar with kokyudosa-kokyuho. Under Hiroshi Kato seseni, we call it suwariwaza- kokyuho (pardon if my spelling is wrong). My question for those of you who speak Japanese is- what is the difference between these two names?
Incidentally, both of these teachers believe this technique is very important. Tohei sensei once said in my presence that this technique was the essence of Aikido in that in it, "You take your partner from where he is and you move him to where you want him to be , without using force."
Kato sensei thinks that it is so important, that he does it as the first technique in every class (sitting) and the first technique done standing as well.

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Old 12-03-2003, 09:31 AM   #2
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Jorge:

I'm not Japanese speaking but I can point you to a couple of references. In the older book by nidai doshu (Kisshomaru) he used the term kokyu dosa for za-gi techniques.

In the Best Aikido by nidai and sandai doshus they use I believe kokyu ho to demonstrate the exercise and the kokyu nage when throwing. This is done off morotetori.

By the way I hope to attend one of Kato Sensei's seminars in the Spring.

John
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Old 12-03-2003, 05:55 PM   #3
Jorge Garcia
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Thanks John. I'll check out those sources.By the way, have I met you before at our dojo here in Houston? We'll look forward to seeing you. Kato sensei's next trip will be May/June. Keep in mind that he also goes to Austin and Corpus Christi now so it is possible to practice with him where the rates may be lower and the group much smaller where you can get personal attention. I always go to the Corpus seminar as well as ours.

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John Riggs wrote:
Jorge:

I'm not Japanese speaking but I can point you to a couple of references. In the older book by nidai doshu (Kisshomaru) he used the term kokyu dosa for za-gi techniques.

In the Best Aikido by nidai and sandai doshus they use I believe kokyu ho to demonstrate the exercise and the kokyu nage when throwing. This is done off morotetori.

By the way I hope to attend one of Kato Sensei's seminars in the Spring.

John

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Old 02-04-2004, 01:37 PM   #4
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Taken from one of my other posts:
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"...kokyu which literally means, "breath out, breath in." Misogi allows us to discover a powerful form of kokyu-ho, or breathing method, which enables practitioners to develop kokyu-ryoku, or breath power.
continuing...

Kokyu-Dosa can be translated to Breath-movements or moving with breathing.

Kokyu-Nage translates to breath-throw.

Each term is very distinct, and should not be interchanged, per se. However, having said that, there may be cases where what the teacher is saying, for example "Let's do Kokyu-ho." and everyone goes and does Kokyu-dosa because that is how it is understood in that particular dojo or organization.

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Old 02-04-2004, 04:28 PM   #5
Jorge Garcia
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Shaun Ravens (Misogi-no-Gyo) wrote:
Taken from one of my other posts:

continuing...

Kokyu-Dosa can be translated to Breath-movements or moving with breathing.

Kokyu-Nage translates to breath-throw.

Each term is very distinct, and should not be interchanged, per se. However, having said that, there may be cases where what the teacher is saying, for example "Let's do Kokyu-ho." and everyone goes and does Kokyu-dosa because that is how it is understood in that particular dojo or organization.
Thanks Shaun

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