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Old 11-27-2003, 03:52 AM   #1
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goodbye cruel world!

Like most IT geeks, I suffer from an inability to socialize, I have debated the perceived reasons and factors which contribute to this malady a million times but I am still drawing a blank, so I think I shall do the only thing left for me.

Now suicide is somewhat pase and overplayed, mostly employed by rockstars and celebrities who cannot handle the pressures of being famous, good looking and desireable.

I being neither rich nor famous nor good looking need to be original, so I have decided to kill myself by throwing myself totally into the study of Aikido.

I have been doing it rather diligently for about a year now, about 3 classes a week give or take. The option is open to me to go to 6 classes a week so that will be my first step. I also seem to be holding back in my attacks, well, no more.

The reasoning behind this is that Aikido will either kill me, as in fall and break my neck and die or it will cripple me, taking my suffering into fresh and new dimensions or it will cure me (ha ha yeah right) and I will be able to get over whatever is bothering me.

Any tips and caveats to look out for in this new endeavour of mine?
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Old 11-27-2003, 05:42 AM   #2
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Maybe your ego will get killed ,

which is good !

enjoy !
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Old 11-27-2003, 07:44 AM   #3
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This will be good for you. Nothing beats all those silly thoughts out of a person as well as a load of koshinage and nikyo's... Go for it.

Get over the pondering with a good pounding.

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Old 11-27-2003, 07:59 AM   #4
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Re: goodbye cruel world!

Whether you are on the mat or off, you will carry your problems with you. Only until you face your troubles and do something about them, will your situation change.

If you are doing Aikido for the wrong reasons, it will be wrong Aikido. No matter how technically "Good" you become, it will still be wrong Aikido.

It is not practice that makes perfect, it is correct practice that makes perfect.
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Old 11-27-2003, 08:20 AM   #5
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Ted "If you are doing Aikido for the wrong reasons, it will be wrong Aikido" - as a matter of interest, what are the right reasons? I could understand you viewing others reasons for practice as "inappropriate" to how *you* want to see aikido practiced, but wrong??

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Old 11-27-2003, 08:28 AM   #6
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Re: goodbye cruel world!

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The reasoning behind this is that Aikido will either kill me, as in fall and break my neck and die or it will cripple me, taking my suffering into fresh and new dimensions or it will cure me (ha ha yeah right) and I will be able to get over whatever is bothering me.
Aikido will do none of those things...you will. Aikido will only be the tool you use to do them. Take responsibility for your life. If it's good you made it good, if it's bad you made it bad and only you can change it.

Bronson

"A pacifist is not really a pacifist if he is unable to make a choice between violence and non-violence. A true pacifist is able to kill or maim in the blink of an eye, but at the moment of impending destruction of the enemy he chooses non-violence."
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Old 11-27-2003, 08:39 AM   #7
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Ian Hurst (happysod) wrote:
Ted "If you are doing Aikido for the wrong reasons, it will be wrong Aikido" - as a matter of interest, what are the right reasons? I could understand you viewing others reasons for practice as "inappropriate" to how *you* want to see aikido practiced, but wrong??
You should know for yourself, what is correct for you. You are the world expert on yourself, since no one else can say what your true feelings are.

Tentative observations can be made by others. The original poster wants to do Aikido in lieu of suicide. Would you say this is a correct motivation for practicing Aikido? I would say "No". Practicing a martial art with that motive will probably lead to injury for either himself or others. It's an accident waiting to happen.

What are the right reasons for practicing? I think we all have our own set of right reasons. Perhaps a right reason for one person is a wrong reason for another.

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Old 11-27-2003, 08:46 AM   #8
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Ted, "You are the world expert on yourself, since no one else can say what your true feelings are" - you're just anti-psychiatrist here aren't you...

Seriously, the reason I took issue with your choice of words (i.e. wrong) is that I don't believe there are any right or wrong reasons for taking up aikido (misguided, yes, wrong, no), now how you conduct yourself within the dojo is another matter, which is where our viewpoints may coincide.

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Old 11-27-2003, 08:54 AM   #9
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Dear Mr. Anonymous,

Disclaimer: I am not a psychiatrist, psychotherapist or licensed counselor. If you are seriously considering suicide, please immediately seek professional assistance in your community. It is not a joking matter.

Now if your problem is just the IT-geek-can't-a-date-on-Friday kind of thing, then I have a suggestion. Rather than doubling the amount of time you spend in aikido from 3 to 6 classes a week, do something different with your available time and energy. Obviously doing 3 aikido classes a week for a year did not change much. Doing 6 classes a week probably won't change much. (Is there a pattern here?) Do something different. Take a tango class. Take an art class. Taka a Japanese class. Learn to surf. Hang with some slightly less geeky folk.

Just my 2 cents.

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Old 11-27-2003, 09:22 AM   #10
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Ian Hurst (happysod) wrote:
Ted, "You are the world expert on yourself, since no one else can say what your true feelings are" - you're just anti-psychiatrist here aren't you...

Seriously, the reason I took issue with your choice of words (i.e. wrong) is that I don't believe there are any right or wrong reasons for taking up aikido (misguided, yes, wrong, no), now how you conduct yourself within the dojo is another matter, which is where our viewpoints may coincide.
When I used the words right or wrong, I'm using it in a relative, subjective manner. I'm not using it in an absolute, Biblical manner.

It's part of the baggage that goes with words.

I thought a psychiatrist helped you to uncover what your true feelings are. A psychiatrist without a patient is unemployed.

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Old 11-27-2003, 10:34 AM   #11
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Now if your problem is just the IT-geek-can't-a-date-on-Friday kind of thing, then I have a suggestion. Rather than doubling the amount of time you spend in aikido from 3 to 6 classes a week, do something different with your available time and energy. Obviously doing 3 aikido classes a week for a year did not change much. Doing 6 classes a week probably won't change much. (Is there a pattern here?) Do something different. Take a tango class. Take an art class. Taka a Japanese class. Learn to surf. Hang with some slightly less geeky folk.
Excellent advice, I'd like to add a hearty "ME TOO!" to this. It's obviously going to be scarier to get into something new than it is to double your training, all the more reason to go do it!

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Old 11-27-2003, 11:52 AM   #12
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Learn to dance!

Learn to dance!

Learn to dance!!!

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Old 11-27-2003, 02:07 PM   #13
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That was how I began Aikido. I figured if I didn't die I would become a better person. So I say go for it!

You'll be a better tori in the long run and you'll also have a very prolific tequinical understanding of both sides of the coin, and IMO, You'll become a better teacher because 75% of learning tori is being Uke! bravo
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Old 11-27-2003, 02:22 PM   #14
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Ok I was just checking to see if I could post, I tried a while back to register and for some reason it didn't work,but anyways going all out in aikido wouldn't be a bad thing, you will do a lot better than if you hesitate.
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Old 11-27-2003, 04:50 PM   #15
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When I first read this I thought Troll or just taking the p**s!!!

First - if someone is serious about suicide, they kill themselves, not talk about it.

Anyway, I probably should not even post this, as I could be responding to a Troll!!!

Whatever!

Osu!
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Old 11-27-2003, 04:55 PM   #16
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Re: Re: goodbye cruel world!

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If you are doing Aikido for the wrong reasons, it will be wrong Aikido.
Are there wrong reasons?

Is there wrong Aikido?

Later Ted says you should know yourself, but Aikido is a way to find yourself!

I don't think there are wrong reasons if they are true to you - that you gain something from it.

Osu!
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Old 11-27-2003, 06:03 PM   #17
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Something to think about--

"Heaven and earth will pass away, but MY words will never pass away"

--Matthew 24:35, the Bible.

I'm not trying to tell you to do anything, I was just reading through here and that popped up in my head. think about it... i hope you find what you're looking for...
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Old 11-27-2003, 07:01 PM   #18
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Of course there is the possibility that Aikido will help you learn to channel and focus your mind and inner energy to the degree where you break the "IT Geek" mode and enter the "IT Professional" mode by learning to view yourself differently, allowing you to utilise your abilities in IT to your social advantage.

Often all it takes is a bit of getting over yourself, stopping the whining and getting out there and facing life. Honest self evaluation combined with an equally honest and systematic method of changing those parts of yourself that stunt/hinder/block your energy tend to aid one to create a program of self improvement, and when we improve ourselves our perception of self changes.

I think some more mental/spiritual Aikido training, even meditation classes may help. This thread was interesting to me, I have stood exactly where you are now some time ago and that was the same time I walked into an Aikido dojo and began to understand that if I project negativity at life, it is what I will get out of it.

Hope this helps. Suicide solves nothing, you only carry the baggage somewhere else. The place and time to change the tide is here and now.

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Old 11-27-2003, 09:05 PM   #19
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First - if someone is serious about suicide, they kill themselves, not talk about it.
This is nonsense. Many suicidal people begin talking about it, hoping (thinking hope but not feeling hope) that there may be another alternative. Suicidal people may have exhausted all internal methods of finding a way to live happily. Some of them begin turning to others for ideas and guidance.

If depression is the case, there are hundreds of anti-depressants on the market that work. Find one with a suitable array of side-effects and try it out. When I have been in the dumps, they have certainly worked for me. They do not solve the whole problem, however, and trying an art like Aikido is an excellent move.

If you are depressed, seek help from a psychiatrist. I know it's scary walking into that office for the first time, so it will take bravery on your part to make this step. Know that most psychiatrists truly care, and that these days the stigma of mental illness is fading fast.

I wish you the best,

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Old 11-27-2003, 09:46 PM   #20
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Is it just me but I thought the first post was and was meant to be funny.

It sure wasn't a cry fro help - he's already found it.

Peter Rehse Shodokan Aikido
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Old 11-28-2003, 05:15 AM   #21
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Peter, humour on aikiweb, surely you jest. Incidently, you call doing aikido "finding help" - are you nuts?

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Old 11-28-2003, 05:26 AM   #22
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Surely this post was "tongue in cheek"

Why is everyone being so pretentious about it?
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Old 11-28-2003, 05:52 PM   #23
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Id agree, it is funny, just very black and sort of subtle.

They're all screaming about the rock n roll, but I would say that it's getting old. - REFUSED.
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Old 11-28-2003, 07:04 PM   #24
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My teacher said once to me that the dojo was neither a gym nor a church. What he meant was that the dojo is simply that a dojo. A place to train. I tell you now that a dojo is not a hospital or a phychiatrist. If you need help go to a professional.

Good Luck
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Old 11-28-2003, 10:53 PM   #25
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My teacher said once to me that the dojo was neither a gym nor a church. What he meant was that the dojo is simply that a dojo. A place to train. I tell you now that a dojo is not a hospital or a phychiatrist. If you need help go to a professional.

Good Luck
I'm going to assume this thread is not a joke, since I'm dubious that it is. Esteban gave great advice. Almost all professionals take their job (getting you feeling better) very seriously. Take care.

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