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Old 11-19-2003, 02:28 PM   #26
Location: All over CA
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 137
Moline Bob (Bob) wrote:
I believe that all this is politics. I think that as long as nage (tori/shiite) is on balance and safe, and uke is off balance and vulnerable then it is an aikido technique.


My biggest concern for aikido is the barriers that are put up by the various aikido organizations to exclude other organizations, and aiki weapons is a good example. Each time that techniques are developed/changed that are specific to just one organization it is, in my opinion, an exclusionary move ... a student of one style, let's say Aikikai, has a hard time moving to another style, let's say Iwama, and feel that he/she is respected if he/she cannot do the particular weapons katas that Iwama students of equal rank can do.
I hope that the said Aikikai student -=would=- be respected. I would respect such a student because they have a slightly different perspective from their path up the proverbial mountain and we could only serve to improve ourselves by being open to many perspectives.

Though decisions are made for whatever reason there is still an ai- in our keiko. for one will be a student happy with my form, happy to learn from other forms, and inclusive of all ka

"To educate a man in mind, and not in morals, is to educate a menace to society." ~Theodore Roosevelt
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Old 11-24-2003, 03:10 PM   #27
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 495
Bob (above),

I totally agree with your thoughts. If someone is teaching something that you personally find interesting - then train with them. If not - don't. Most schools wear either white or black belts. Maybe we all need to wear white and just train.
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Old 11-24-2003, 10:34 PM   #28
Location: Alberta, Canada
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 113
Hey Bob, you ever train with Garnett in Winnipeg (Iwama style If I remember correctly), and swap weapons techniques?

Or do they pretty much keep to themselves, and you guys pretty much keep to yourselves?

P.S. I trained with you a few times way back in the early 90's (when you and your group would come in to Winnipeg for seminars and testing).

Bruce Kimpel
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Old 11-25-2003, 10:49 AM   #29
Dojo: Dryden Aikikai
Location: Dryden, ON, Canada
Join Date: Jul 2000
Posts: 15
In the early 90's I did train a few times with Garnet and we did Iwama-style weapons and I thought it was ok (I had done some before) ... he's a good guy and a fine aikidoist but I think that he was so entrenched in the Iwama melieu that it didn't even occur to him to swap techniques, he just assumed that I wanted to be taught and that was ok with me ... you learn more if you're being taught than if you're teaching.

Regretably, he quit aikido shortly after that to pursue a degree in medicine and I was told that he has never come back to aikido. I haven't seen him since.

That dojo (Winnipeg Aikikai) was orginally Aikikai and returned to Aikikai after Garnet left so we still have a lot to do with each other. There is another Iwama dojo there now and they are a great bunch too.

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Old 11-25-2003, 11:03 AM   #30
Dojo: Kododan Aikido USA
Location: Radford Virginia
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 200
We belong to a small dojo -- only 3 of ours in the U.S. -- affiliated with Aikikai, and any seminar we go to is inevitably outside our "style" (Kodokan Aikido).

These have included seminars with the late Saito Shihan, Pat Hendricks Sensei, Ikeda and Saetome Shihans, and the esteemed Aviv Sensei (though I seem to have missed out on that last friendship seminar due to my schedule).

All of these have added to my own individual technique, and the opportunity I had to study Iwama weapons for a couple of years on a regular basis helped my understanding of body movement tremendously.

I think it's all fine if Hitohiro Sensei leaves the Aikikai; I just hope that all of his students retain the openness of training with non-Iwama students that I have so enjoyed in the past.

PS -- Hope to train with you again soon Aviv, though I'll be in Chicago during your upcoming seminar


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