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Old 10-29-2003, 03:49 AM   #1
Dojo: Aikikai-Liechtenstein
Location: Liechtenstein
Join Date: Oct 2003
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Hakama question

do you need a certain rank to be alowed to wear a Hakama?
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Old 10-29-2003, 03:57 AM   #2
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Dojo: 合気研究会
Location: Jakarta Selatan
Join Date: Nov 2001
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In Aikikai, at least in my country:

shodan for men

3rd kyu for women

When I have to die by the sword, I will do so with honor.
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Old 10-29-2003, 04:52 AM   #3
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We can wear from 3. kyu (both men and women)

Those who ignore history are
bound to repeat it.
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Old 10-29-2003, 07:09 AM   #4
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Dojo: Newcastle (DAN/UKAU)
Location: Newcastle (UK)
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Posts: 32
In our organisation its shodan for both men and women


'The truth is that which is true, whether you know it or not and whether you like it or not'
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Old 10-29-2003, 12:37 PM   #5
Dojo: Aikido of Midland
Location: Midland Texas
Join Date: Dec 2000
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Hakama use seems to depend on the style or organization. Yoshinkan from my understanding does not wear it until much higher ranks. ASU based on Saotome sensei being scolded by O'Sensei for not showing up with his allows students to wear the hakama as soon as they have tested for rank-unless this changed. AAA when you achieve dan rank-although some dojos have dojo policies that may differ (can wear in dojo but not at official events).

It is my understanding economics played a part in the hombu policy due to the war. It apparently never went back after that time.
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Old 10-30-2003, 04:39 PM   #6
Hanna B
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
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Do a search. There has been threads on this subject before.
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Old 10-30-2003, 04:54 PM   #7
Location: livingston, scotland
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It's only his second post. Be nice

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Old 10-30-2003, 05:00 PM   #8
Dojo: san diego aikikai
Location: San Diego
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Posts: 24
Hey Steven,

For the most part, 3rd kyu at our Dojo.

San Diego Aikikai
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Old 10-30-2003, 07:14 PM   #9
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Dojo: Puget Sound Aikikai
Location: Seattle
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First Kyu, at ours.

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Old 10-30-2003, 07:27 PM   #10
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In my dojo, hakama-wearing is not tied to rank. Anybody who wants to can wear a hakama, although it must mentioned that there is much more pressure to at higher ranks.

I like it this way. It seems to somehow be both easier and more responsible. Here's why: if hakamas are a spiritual/developmental symbol, leaving it up to the wearer allows them to be responsible for their own development and assessment. On the other hand, if hakamas are not important for this purpose, then it eliminates the over-statement of their use.

I want to acknowlage that many people have strong feelings in this regard, and I may have just succeeded in sticking a pin in the side of both camps.

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Old 11-02-2003, 12:50 PM   #11
Hanna B
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Okay, although it is against my nature I will be nice and make the search for him.

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Old 11-10-2003, 09:41 PM   #12
Dojo: Iwama Ryu Dojo // Malmö
Location: Malmö, Sweden
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Posts: 8
In all of Scandinavia its 3d kyu, and in most other countrys the standard is first dan

Im not smart enough to come up with a good one myself.... "Yet"
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Old 11-10-2003, 11:54 PM   #13
Daniel Blanco
Dojo: Suffolk Aikikai
Location: Patchogue
Join Date: Feb 2003
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In NY you must be a shodan
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Old 11-11-2003, 09:14 AM   #14
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Dojo: University of Ulster, Coleriane
Location: Northern Ireland
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In the clubs I've been in within England you have to be 1st Kyu or above (unless you are female, where you can have a choice from the start). With my current affiliation, they really don't care. Within my club I tell them when I think they can wear a hakama. I decide this by determining whether they want to wear a hakama because it looks cool, and whether I'm happy for them to set some kind of example to newbies. It is unfortunate that usually by the time they get over wanting to wear a hakama for image reasons, I then permit them to wear a hakama!

(for me I just don't want them wasting money on something if they aren't really in aikido for the training)


---understanding aikido is understanding the training method---
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Old 11-11-2003, 05:41 PM   #15
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Dojo: Academy of Martial Arts Yoseikan
Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada
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I was sort of disappointed when I enrolled with my dojo to discover that no one, not even the sensei, wears a hakama. Call it a desire to fulfill the "image" of aikido, I guess.
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