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Old 09-18-2003, 02:21 AM   #1
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"Uke is always right"

I have been having a bit of a debate with myself over this issue for a while now, I came up with the following points and counterpoints.

Pros:

It forces adaptability on the side of nage as well as creativity and improvisation.

It allows nage to get a more realistic idea of his/her skills against unpredictable attacks done at unpredictable speed and commitment.

It reinforces humility and moral fiber when a nage who considers himself "experienced" gets it in the face from a beginner.

Cons:

It undermines the effort to learn a specific technique against a specific attack done in a specific way

Without a certain modicum of commitment and force on the part of uke, uke will never be able to hurt or disable nage in a "real" confrontation, never correcting uke's attack reinforces bad habits and weak attacks.

Being able to effectively disable a timid, self-concious beginner might foster a false sense of ability on the part of nage when going up against more experienced practitioners.

Any other opinions?
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Old 09-18-2003, 03:01 AM   #2
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I think it's all about sincerity. Uke as the initiator of attack should have full commitment and intention to prevent nage doing technique, but uke should bear in mind that uke's action is to help nage executing the correct technique, not to resist or beat nage in pride.

Same thing goes for nage. Nage as the reactor of uke's attack should move efficiently to change disadvantages situation into an advantageous one. But nage also has to bear in mind that his/her objective is just to 'turn the table', not to injure, maim, or kill the uke.

So I said here that there's nothing as uke or nage is always right, as in aikido the relationship between uke and nage is mutual.

anyway, those pros and cons is right, wynand. But I don't suggest to go full force when your partner is still a newbie, go slow and soft first then after they have some experience we can increase the speed and power, the higher the experience the higher level of speed and power you can apply.
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Old 09-18-2003, 03:17 AM   #3
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Ki Symbol Re: "Uke is always right"

The solution is quite simple.

There is a time and place for everything.

Just always be clear about what the goal of practice is at the moment.

Uke can be wrong in at least three cases.

1) regardless of speed, timid attacks that do not require nage to move or otherwise take it seriously.

2) stupid attacks that leave uke wide open to a simple movement by nage that doesn't require nage to be relaxed or do much of anything technically right. Nage doing aikido becomes more like using a bazooka to swat a fly.

3) attacking in ways that don't serve the goal of training at the moment.

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Old 09-18-2003, 01:21 PM   #4
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Your question seems similar to this thread:

http://www.aikiweb.com/forums/showth...?threadid=4142

I think it's really a question about the proper attitude when taking technique. What is your goal with your ukemi?

Jim

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