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Old 03-04-2003, 07:59 PM   #1
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Monkey See Monkey Do

I have been training at a dojo in southern Taiwan for the past 8 months. While I can get around here using Chinese (American) well enough, at the dojo, they speak Taiwanese( More difficult to learn then chinese). I have been getting though the basics using the monkey see monkey do method, but I am starting to come to the point where I feel more explanation is needed. (they don't use any Japanese language in class). Am I wrong? Can one get by just by sight learning?

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Old 03-05-2003, 02:10 AM   #2
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No not just sight But sight and feel, that is enough.

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Old 03-05-2003, 02:25 AM   #3
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Re: Monkey See Monkey Do

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Ryan Bertram (acot) wrote:
Am I wrong? Can one get by just by sight learning?
Nope, no way, impossible, forget it.

Seriously having been, and to some extent still am, in the same boat the answer is these very forums. Most of us feel the need to talk about what we do - without that we tend to confuse ourselves. Use the forums as an outlet and in the dojo you can concentrate on the physical.

Side notes

You don't know us from Adam. If there is a contradiction between something said here as opposed to your teacher - lean toward your teacher.

A lot of what you do is made up of a small set of movements. Once you get past that a lot of the confusion goes out the window. Just sight becomes far easier.

Peter Rehse Shodokan Aikido
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Old 03-05-2003, 02:47 AM   #4
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Old 03-05-2003, 03:58 AM   #5
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Is that monkey style?
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Old 03-09-2003, 02:54 PM   #6
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Brian: just goes to show you never to monkey around in class. That was funny.
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Old 03-09-2003, 06:25 PM   #7
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lol

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Old 03-10-2003, 05:05 PM   #8
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I think there is some macho idea that you can learn just by seeing. I don't believe that at all. You can learn techniques and replicate what somebody is doing, but if we are doing aikido properly each technique is unique (because we are responding to the movement of uke, which varies).

Underlying aikido are the principles - these need explanaition. You may be able to follow principles with some physical explaition (e.g. gesturing etc when you are actally training) but I think it may take much longer.

The same happened in my swimming - I read one chapter of a book on swimming efficiency and within weeks I was swimming far far faster. I could swim before, but my speed was purely through fitness rather than technique. I had seen others in the club swimming fast, but now when I look at them I understand WHY they swim fast.

I've never found a good book that really explains aikido principles concisely and well (without getting obscure). Maybe the aikido community should get together with some sports physiologists and psychologists and write an excellent scientific book on aikido principles that would benefit everyone in a direct and practical manner.

---understanding aikido is understanding the training method---
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