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02-26-2019, 02:16 AM
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#2176
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Location: Düsseldorf
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
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Igor Vojnović wrote:
Depending on who you ask and who you know, no it doesn't.
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Thats a very good and very sound argument.
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02-28-2019, 05:32 AM
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#2177
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Dojo: Aikido Klub Tisa - Novi Sad
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
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Markus Rohde wrote:
Thats a very good and very sound argument.
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Much like your own that people get aiki by going through the techniques. There is no evidence of that.
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02-28-2019, 07:18 AM
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#2178
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Location: Düsseldorf
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
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Igor Vojnović wrote:
Much like your own that people get aiki by going through the techniques. There is no evidence of that.
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Please read. I didn't say anything like that.
How do you imagine to get better proficiency in executing techniques, and what characterizes the better execution?
Please don't tell me things like: Hey dude, just better maai, better kuzushi, things like that...
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02-28-2019, 10:48 AM
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#2179
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Dojo: Aikido Club of American Samoa
Location: American Samoa
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
Aikido does not work at all in a fight.......on the internet ; )
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02-28-2019, 03:50 PM
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#2180
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Dojo: Torrey Pines Aiki Kai
Location: San Diego
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
Aaaand we have Nikyu62 for the win!
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03-03-2019, 01:36 PM
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#2181
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Dojo: Aikido Klub Tisa - Novi Sad
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
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Markus Rohde wrote:
Please read. I didn't say anything like that.
How do you imagine to get better proficiency in executing techniques, and what characterizes the better execution?
Please don't tell me things like: Hey dude, just better maai, better kuzushi, things like that...
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Better and faster entering, disrupting of uke and executing the technique with uke under full control. And all the doesn't need the "aiki" in the way people describe it.
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03-04-2019, 01:31 PM
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#2182
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
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Igor Vojnović wrote:
executing the technique with uke under full control.
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In aiki-jujutsu, you should do that with aiki,
otherwise it's not aiki-jujutsu.
The higher the level, the more aiki, that's the system.
But that's not a secret.
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03-05-2019, 03:01 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2013
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
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Markus Rohde wrote:
In aiki-jujutsu, you should do that with aiki,
otherwise it's not aiki-jujutsu.
The higher the level, the more aiki, that's the system.
But that's not a secret.
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That may not be a secret, for sure.
But even if they agree that aiki is a skill, who can define it?
More important, who can show, who can do?
Why so few, if anyone?
So fare it's almost just but a legendary „saga" about some single rare and outstanding people and something under the suspicion to be „hidden in plain sight."
I'd recommend HIPS, the book of Ellis Amdur.
For a start...
Best,
Bernd
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03-05-2019, 10:37 AM
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#2184
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Location: Düsseldorf
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
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Bernd Lehnen wrote:
More important, who can show, who can do?
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You know who can.
But it's not the point, going through the systematik learning process requires a very high amount of energy and time, not many are ready for that, even if t hey know what to train.
Outstanding people have an outstanding charakter, and a strong will. So not everybody will reach a high level.
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Bernd Lehnen wrote:
I'd recommend HIPS...
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Thank you very much.
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03-07-2019, 03:22 AM
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#2185
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Dojo: Aikido Klub Tisa - Novi Sad
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
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Markus Rohde wrote:
In aiki-jujutsu, you should do that with aiki,
otherwise it's not aiki-jujutsu.
The higher the level, the more aiki, that's the system.
But that's not a secret.
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Level of what? Let's define first what you think is the higher level? Higher level of knowledge of the techniques and how to do them more proficiently? That doesn't automatically mean you have aiki. By the accounts you can have high aiki without actually being proficient in the techniques.
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03-07-2019, 03:46 AM
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Location: Düsseldorf
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
Because of that you have a system for both, growing in techniques and in aiki.
If someone is only interestes in techniqes he will maybe not develop aiki or stay at a jujutsu level, but developing aiki without growing technically will not happen, if you go through the systematic teachings, step by step.
but if you have gone through every stage, also aiki-jujutsu and aiki no jutsu, you will have a certain level of aiki
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03-08-2019, 10:16 AM
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#2187
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Join Date: Sep 2004
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
Isn't Aikido all about conflict resolution?
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03-08-2019, 11:02 AM
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
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03-12-2019, 01:25 PM
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
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03-16-2019, 05:34 AM
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#2190
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Dojo: Aikido Klub Tisa - Novi Sad
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
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Markus Rohde wrote:
Because of that you have a system for both, growing in techniques and in aiki.
If someone is only interestes in techniqes he will maybe not develop aiki or stay at a jujutsu level, but developing aiki without growing technically will not happen, if you go through the systematic teachings, step by step.
but if you have gone through every stage, also aiki-jujutsu and aiki no jutsu, you will have a certain level of aiki
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And again, there is no "system" for growing in techniques you either get more proficient or you don't. The aiki part seems to be the one where there is a sort of a system.
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03-18-2019, 06:12 AM
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#2191
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Location: Düsseldorf
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
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Igor Vojnović wrote:
And again, there is no "system" for growing in techniques you either get more proficient or you don't.
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Ok, believe that if you want, maybe it's true for what you know,
I have no need für further discussions.
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03-18-2019, 06:26 AM
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#2192
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Dojo: Aikido Klub Tisa - Novi Sad
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.
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Markus Rohde wrote:
Ok, believe that if you want, maybe it's true for what you know,
I have no need für further discussions.
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Well, thanks nevertheless, it was interesting.
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