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Old 12-01-2002, 09:18 PM   #26
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Is there a difference between nage and sh'te? Why are two different terms used in different styles to designate the same person?
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Old 12-02-2002, 11:39 AM   #27
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Is there a difference between nage and sh'te? Why are two different terms used in different styles to designate the same person?
Add to that "Tori", which the Yoshinkan used before Sh'te, O'Sensei used to use (see "Budo") and which we (the Shudokan) use still. Not being a Japanese speaker I would be very interested in the reason for the changes.


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Old 12-02-2002, 06:08 PM   #28
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What about things like Gedan Ate http://homepage2.nifty.com/shodokan/...n/atemi_e.html or Waki Gatame http://homepage2.nifty.com/shodokan/...on/hiji_e.html ?

What are the names of these techniques in other Aikido styles? Honestly, I haven't seen them practiced at all outside of Shodokan. But my experience outside Shodokan can still be considered limited

Anyone?

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Old 12-02-2002, 06:11 PM   #29
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Gedan ate is sometimes called "aiki nage" in the Aikikai syllabus. Others call it "sukui nage" (a la judo).

Waki gatame is sometimes called "rokkyo" in the Aikikai syllabus.

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Old 12-02-2002, 10:42 PM   #30
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Not to add more confusion to the mix but....

Although tenchinage is a technique that we learn and train with (loosely Aikikai), I was once given the insight that in-fact all Aikido techniques have a tenchi aspect. Push/pull, up/down, forward/back, yin/yang, heaven/earth create instability in the uke. These "phenomena" are one of the reasons that Aikido techniques work.

Give yourself a kotegaeshi. One side of your hand goes one way, the other goes the opposite. The "tension" created makes the hold.

Have fun looking at all of your techniques for this "tension." Don't get too analytical about your techniques, but very often when a technique doesn't work properly, it is possible that you are yinning too much without any yang.

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Old 12-03-2002, 12:45 PM   #31
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Chad Sieger (chadsieger) wrote:
Not to add more confusion to the mix but....

Although tenchinage is a technique that we learn and train with (loosely Aikikai), I was once given the insight that in-fact all Aikido techniques have a tenchi aspect. Push/pull, up/down, forward/back, yin/yang, heaven/earth create instability in the uke. These "phenomena" are one of the reasons that Aikido techniques work.

Give yourself a kotegaeshi. One side of your hand goes one way, the other goes the opposite. The "tension" created makes the hold.

Have fun looking at all of your techniques for this "tension." Don't get too analytical about your techniques, but very often when a technique doesn't work properly, it is possible that you are yinning too much without any yang.

Sieger
This is like a conversation we had in class the other night.. We were talking about how to throw a person. In order for a person to fall(go down), they must first be lifted up. Up.. down.. yin.. yang. Same thing. Kind of made techniques click in my head..

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