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Old 12-28-2002, 07:06 PM   #26
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Mina san,

Konnichi wa.

AikiWeb no boodo de no kono Nihongo o benkyo dekiru tokoro ni sankasha ga fuemashita koto wa hijoni ureshiku omoimasu. Kyo, mina san ni okiki shitai no wa, pasokon de Nihongo de no messeeji o kaku baai, dono yoni kana to kanji o ireru no ka?

Watashi jishin wa kono messeeji o tsukuru tame ni mazu MS Word (Nihongo ban) de genko o kaite, tsugi ni messeeji boodo ni chokusetsu ni utsurimashita. Kantan desu kedo, ichiban muzukashii koto wa Eigo arufabetto no kiiboodo de Nihongo no hiragana o irerukoto desu. Kono hiragana no irekata wa mina san gozonji desuka? Tadashii irekata o dekitara, sugu ni kanji ka katakana ga deru kamoshirenai.

De wa, Nochihodo.

Goldsbury

NOTES:

(1) Writing kanji and kana in Roman script. There are several conventions here, none of which has been universally accepted. By personal preference, except for katakana words like 'messeeji' (message) 'boodo' (board), I prefer the Hepburn system, since it is closest to English. But Hepburn is no good with long vowels, for example.

(2) The most interesting and difficult part of writing Japanese is getting from simple "This is a pen" type sentences to writing 'real' Japanese, which approximates to what a native speaker would write and my own offerings should not be taken as a benchmark here. In my university, there are officials who check my written Japanese and you would be surprised at how much they change.

(3) In the first paragraph the subject is 'koto' and it governs a whole string of subordinate phrases / clauses. I would translate it as, "I am very pleased at the fact that more people are participating in this part of the AikiWeb bulletin board where people can study Japanese."

(4) Minasan ni okiki shitai no wa: honorific from of kiku (to ask). No softens the question, as does 'no ka' at the end. These grammatical notes were written, by the way, in response to a request from Andrew Grochowski, who started this thread. I have no idea how brief or how detailed to make them, so I await guidance.

(5) Actually the question I posed in this post is an important question. I am fortunate to use a computer where the OS and all the software is Japanese. I have no experience whatever in writing Japanese in other ways and so I am curious about what other posters do living outside Japan. I ask this because occasionally there are mistakes in inputting hiragana and this completely affects the meaning. With Japanese language software the possibility of such mistakes is minimized because the software itself contains a built-in spell-check and grammar check. The problem with such software is that kanji also appears and if you do not know many characters mistakes can easily be made, but as a rule of thumb the more kanji the better. On my own computer, pressing the 'delete' key brings back the hiragana.

(6) Finally, as in the dojo, you learn to write Japanese by actually practicing, so I would urge everyone who posts here to write at least something in Japanese, even if it is in hiragana / katakana.

Best wishes to all for 2003

Last edited by Peter Goldsbury : 12-28-2002 at 07:09 PM.

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Old 12-29-2002, 03:08 AM   #27
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Omoshiroi topikku desu ne. Boku wa sheawea no 'NJStar' o tsukaeteimasu. copy-paste wo tsukaimasu. ii sofuto de, furii desu . Jissai wa, WinXP MsWord mo arimasu kedo, amari suki jaarimasen.

Hontou no nihongo no kakikata o wakarimasu tame ni, hito wa nihongo no hon o yondenakereba narimasen to omoimasu. Boku wa soo eigo no kakikata mo doitsu-go no kakikata mo wakari ni narimashita - nihongo no kakikata wa onaji to omoimasu. Mochiron, yoku wakarimasen, sore - zannen desu kedo, nihongo no hon o ima made yomemasen, kanji o amari yokunai shirimasen kara.

Ja, mata!

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Old 12-30-2002, 05:12 PM   #28
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Boku ha genzai Windows 2000 eigo ban no Input Method Editor wo tsukatte, chokusetsu Mozilla browser ni Nihongo wo nyuuryoku shite imasu. 10 nen hodo maeni Tokyo deno daigaku de shizen gengo shori no risaachi wo okonatte ita toki niha, Unix kyou de Wnn to iu kanji hankan shisutem wo tsumatte imashita. Tashika, sonokoro Tokyo de hataraite ita chiisana kaisha deha PC98 jyoude Atok wo tsukatte imashita. Ichiou, jyouki no sofuto ha zenbu onaji mitaina monode, eigo no ki-bo-do wo tsukai, Roma-ji wo taipu shite, "fensu" wo tsukai nagara, kanji no henkan wo okonau sofuto desune.

Nihongo no ki-bo-do ha ichiou Nihon de mita kotoga arimasuga, tsukatta koto ha arimasen. Eigo deno taipingu supi-do ga kekkou hayai node, Nihongo no ki-bo-do wo oboeyouto shimasen deshita. # Bokuno sensei no tame ni conpyu-ta wo tsukutta toki niha Nihongo no ki-bo-do wo agemashitaga, kare mo Ro-maji de Nihongo nyuuryoku wo shite imasu.

Deha,

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Watashi wa Windows XP to MS word ga arimasu. Kono sofuto ha takokuseki no inputto ga arimasu. Saisho ni romaji de messaji wo kaite kara, hiragana ni honyaku shimasu. Sore kara ikutsuka no kanji wo furikakemasu (sprinkle). Kore ha nagakute osoi purosesu desu.

Goldsbery san,

kanato romaji no shiyou ga daisuki desu.

Daibubun no kotoba wo shiba shiba wakattara zenbu no phuresu wo wakarimasen.

Goldsbery san no notto totemo ii desu yo. Tsuzukete kudasai.



Mina san,

akemashite omedetto gozaimasu Kotoshi mo dozo yorishiku onegai itashimasu.

Grochowski

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Old 02-12-2003, 08:55 AM   #30
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Old 05-14-2003, 12:24 PM   #31
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Exclamation new learner....

Hi,

I am very eager to learn the japanese language and I'm looking for someone to practice with through email and posts. Any takers, please drop me an email at vharris@tier.com

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Do desu ka? There, that's the only japanese phrase I know, I'm trying to learn it, and hoping to pick up a japanese language program for my computer since it isn't offered at school once I find a job this summer. I've seen a few things online, and my sister bought me an English to Japanese dictionary that I read through at random intervals, any assistance and resource referances you may give me will be well apreciated,

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Old 06-03-2003, 06:19 AM   #33
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I found a great website that's helping me learn and I can do it at my own pace. That's perfect for me in every way.

Check it out:

http://www.japanese-online.com/Index.htm

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