Welcome to AikiWeb Aikido Information
AikiWeb: The Source for Aikido Information
AikiWeb's principal purpose is to serve the Internet community as a repository and dissemination point for aikido information.

aikido articles


dojo search
image gallery
links directory

book reviews
video reviews
dvd reviews
equip. reviews


rss feeds

Follow us on

Home > AikiWeb Aikido Forums
Go Back   AikiWeb Aikido Forums > General

Hello and thank you for visiting AikiWeb, the world's most active online Aikido community! This site is home to over 22,000 aikido practitioners from around the world and covers a wide range of aikido topics including techniques, philosophy, history, humor, beginner issues, the marketplace, and more.

If you wish to join in the discussions or use the other advanced features available, you will need to register first. Registration is absolutely free and takes only a few minutes to complete so sign up today!

Thread Tools
Old 10-30-2002, 08:14 PM   #1
Dojo: Aikido of Cincinnati/Huron Valley Aikikai
Location: Somerset Michigan
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 794
Question stomach pain

Hi All,

Has anyone had any experience with stomach pain when you started to learn to roll? My husband has been getting some unusual pain in his stomach and thinks it might be related to taking some bad rolls. He is also sore around the rib-cage, but that I can pretty much guess is aikido related.

Please relate any similar experiences you might have with this phenomenom, and what you did to cure it (other than get more comfortable with ukemi in general).


  Reply With Quote
Old 10-30-2002, 09:05 PM   #2
Location: Western Australia
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 241
Hello Rachel

Yes, I got regular stomach pains when I started doing Ukemis in both Ju Jitsu and Aikido. The pains I got were in the lower/floating rib area and across the muscles above the diaphram and just below the solar plexus. I still get them now and then and as a consequence of not warming up properly or poor form and structure when doing the forward or backwards rolls. Instead of my body being relaxed, "round" and curved I am tense and bent at the hips with my back being too stiff and straight. There is quite a lot of muscle tension on the stomach and lower back.

Hope this helps. All the best for training.

  Reply With Quote
Old 10-30-2002, 09:19 PM   #3
Dojo: Multnomah Aikikai
Location: Portland, Oregon
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 39
I'd say it has to do with one of two things:

1- He using muscles he doesnt even know existed.

2- For me, if I eat before hand, at least 1-2 hours before aikido it can really mess up my stomach and I get "cramps".

Try to get him to extend his center when doing rolls. The feeling is such when you are riding a bike, you can "slouch" and bend your back when riding, but if you "reverse flex" your stomach muscles then you are able to straighten your back and your back wont lock up.

I hope that makes sense.


  • Like a rotten log half burried in the ground.
  • My Life which has not flowered.
  • Comes to this sad end.
-Minamoto Yorimasa
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-30-2002, 11:50 PM   #4
Location: Bangkok
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 803
I guess it would be useful to specify whether you think the pain is muscular or in the stomach itself.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-2002, 02:53 AM   #5
  AikiWeb Forums Contributing Member
erikmenzel's Avatar
Dojo: Koshinkai Leeuwarden
Location: Leeuwarden
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 594

I always get stomach pain when I have eaten to close to training, which in my case means less than 3 hours before training.

Another thing nobody mentioned yet: If you worry, or the pain doesnt go away or does not feel right or whatever then go see a doctor!! (or in your case sent hubby to the doctor)

Erik Jurrien Menzel
kokoro o makuru taisanmen ni hirake
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-2002, 06:08 AM   #6
Dojo: Aikido of Cincinnati/Huron Valley Aikikai
Location: Somerset Michigan
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 794
Thanks folks!

Actually, his pain seems to be under the breast bone and into the digestive track area (not lower into the belly). I have asked him to go see a doctor about it, but he seems to think it is aikido related, as he started aikido three weeks ago, and the pain started shortly after. It remains during the day, but doesn't seem to bother him when training. I am going to pass along all your sound suggestions to him, maybe it will help.

Thanks again!

  Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-2002, 09:42 AM   #7
Dojo: Genyokan
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 37

Rachel, I'm not a doctor but anytime someone mentions pain under the breatbone that should be taken very seriously. It may only be heartburn caused by rolling but it may also be something more serious. Insist that he see a doctor.

  Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-2002, 11:12 AM   #8
Dojo: Aikido of Cincinnati/Huron Valley Aikikai
Location: Somerset Michigan
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 794
Thanks Ross,

I am trying! I sent him your post, maybe that will make him go...

Thanks for all the suggestions folks,

  Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-2002, 11:34 AM   #9
Jeff Tibbetts
Dojo: Cedar River Aikikai
Location: Cedar Rapids, Iowa
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 142
Rachel Massey (rachmass) wrote:
It remains during the day, but doesn't seem to bother him when training.
Has anyone else noticed this? For me it's not stomach pain but I have bad knees. When I'm training it never bothers me, but the next day or at home or whatever it may hurt. Sometimes it hurts right up untill I'm on the mat, practically. Why is that? I'm no doctor, and I'm not athletic at all in any other way so I guess it could be normal.
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-01-2002, 02:56 AM   #10
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 48
Don't overlook the back as the possible culprit, but also make sure you do adequate Seiza before tumbling, because that breathing loosens up the diaphram muscles, which sit right in that area. Try talking to a chiropractor and see what they have to say about your back. I have a subluxation in my back that happens to be right in the area where the nerves that control my diaphram muscle come out of. I have a problem relaxing and breathing normally. I believe this to be back related and as such am working on it, with some success so far.

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares plow for those who keep their's" -Ben Franklin
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2002, 10:38 AM   #11
Dojo: Aikido of Champlain Valley, VT
Location: Burlington, VT
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 2
Grade 2 Stomach Strain

I hate to break the news to you, but your husband may have strained one of his stomach muscles.

When I started Aikido, in only my fourth hour (second week) of training, I seriously strained my left rectus abdominus (stomach muscle with a Grade 2 strain.

A Grade 1 strain is simple muscle pain like any other sore muscle and can be easily overlooked.

A Grade 2 strain is where you have significantly torn the muscle and you feel a severe, long-lasting burning pain anywhere around your stomach.

If you ignore a Grade 2 strain, it will VERY easily turn into a Grade 3 strain. In the stomach area, a Grade 3 strain is a complete tear of the muscle, causing a small to severe hernia (your bowels push through your torn muscle area). This strain requires emergency surgery!

My Grade 2 strain required FIVE WEEKS of recovery. Please take stomach pains seriously... As others have previously stated, I think I was strongly pulling on my stomach muscles because I didn't know how to fall correctly. My injury was not immediate, but very, very gradual, so watch out for this one!
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2002, 11:21 AM   #12
paul spawforth
Dojo: wakefield tomiki aikido club
Location: England
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 19
Hi Rachel

The only advice i can give is for him to try and relax as much as possible and let the roll come naturally rather than trying to force it to be good. Also eating too close to training time can cause stomach pain. ( i know it's easy for me to say but i understand what he's going through, ukemi and rolls are very difficult to learn)

Hope this helps

  Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2002, 07:02 PM   #13
Evie Pond
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 7
I have bend having bad stumick panes. but i ame pretey shore mayn is not from aikido. I have a tare in may lowear intestines. dowing the rouls herts alout alont with othear things. it is healing now and i ame starting to beabel to be more active in class. I still haf to be carfaill thow not to retare it or make it worse. may segeston is to slowdown some still dow the rouls but dont dow so maney and kepe tham slow and in comtroul untill the heart stops.

  Reply With Quote

Please visit our sponsor:

AikiWeb Sponsored Links - Place your Aikido link here for only $10!


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Pain in aikido? Sonja2012 General 34 12-17-2009 01:45 AM
Treatment to relieve joint pain during training Kung Fu Liane Training 29 01-05-2009 12:15 PM
Stomach Pain.. help? Sadez Training 10 08-14-2006 12:06 PM
Locking/pinning as pain submission... Colbs Techniques 52 01-19-2005 11:12 AM
Pain to train, or nudge to budge? Bruce Baker Training 20 10-11-2002 12:19 PM

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:27 PM.

vBulletin Copyright © 2000-2018 Jelsoft Enterprises Limited
Copyright 1997-2018 AikiWeb and its Authors, All Rights Reserved.
For questions and comments about this website:
Send E-mail
plainlaid-picaresque outchasing-protistan explicantia-altarage seaford-stellionate