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Old 10-16-2002, 07:39 PM   #1
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Deslexick-over loked

I have bend vearey Reluntint to sing up and post on hear. as you can see bay may bad spelling I ame Sevear Deslaxeck and have a vearey hared time with reding and writing.
I ysheley stay away from thies tipe of things becos of wearey of being harasted about may bad spelling. I have experinced this may houl life with pepeaill being just plane egrent.
I ame deslaxex not mentley defegent. I ame vearey smart I have graguated from hi school and even graguated from Calige with the 2 hiest gpa in may grad clas and on the deans list. so may pore spelling has nothing to dow with may intelegence.
pleas be pachent with me and understanding.
thankyou.


Now a bit about me i have beng in aikido for somwars arouned 13 to 15 years. I started in the kids class and have made it to the adalts class. I ame alsow 1 of the advansed students in may dojo.
wich I wont to ask somthing I fined that alout of the time i ame over locked and treted alout yunger tham i achuailley ame. I tech the kids classis along with another. wean may sensey mentions the kidesclass i seam to allmost all the time be forgoten that i to alsow tech and dow just the same amount of work as may partnear how is 54 i think and has not beng in aikido as long as i have. but is always mentoned to be the techer of the kids class. i ame forgot or ovear loked bay maney at least that is wot it feails like.
has others how have started as kids hade this same probelom? it is realey becoming disharting

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Old 10-16-2002, 11:26 PM   #2
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Re: Deslexick-over loked

Ok,

to get started i also have the same problems. I get verry dyslexic most of the time, and i cant spell. Just so people who have read other posts i have done... i normaly type it up, put it in a spell check program, then copy and paste back.

I have been pratcing scents i was 5, so that makes about 14 years. so i am in the same boat here. not too many people in the dojo listen to me.

i just thought that i would inform you that you are not the only one. if you would like to chat more, feel free to e mail me.

ben_t_shodan@hotmail.com

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Old 10-17-2002, 02:10 AM   #3
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Evie,

I read your post this morning and thought I would wait and see how it developed. I now see that there have been over 52 views with only one reply so I thought I`d jump in.

I am not dyslexic myself, nor do I know anyone with dyslexia, but I don`t see how this effects your opinions or your abilities in Aikido, therefore like everyone else`s opinions here, your will be most welcome, certainly by me.

It may take me a few seconds longer to read your posts, but that just gives me more time to digest them. Welcome to the board and please stick with it.

As for the feeling of being ignored by others over someone with less experience, if it really bites at you that much, why not collar your sensei in a quiet moment and tell him how you feel.

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Old 10-17-2002, 02:43 AM   #4
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hehe, you guys are gonna have fun chatting to each other

Seriously though. My father was dyslexic, and I think maybe I am a bit by nature as well, as I often get vowels mixed up in longer words. Overall, I spell pretty well, but that's probably more because I pay such close attention to it. I'm totally understanding that the dyslexia is a tough thing for you to deal with, but I'm not totally sure how it specifically affects your Aikido practice.

Do you mix up your moves? Do you hear one thing and do something else? Auditory confusion is sometimes associated with dyslexia I think.

I know it's a problem with autism, which is probably closely related to a lot of cases of "Attention Deficit Disorder" aka - ADD, or ADHD. Autism, ADD, and Dyslexia are not totally uncommon all in the same person. There's a strong link between the consumption of wheat glutens, and the symptoms of autism. It might be worth trying a week or so of a gluten-free diet to see if you notice any improvements. I've certainly seen huge improvements in my ability to precieve things and interact. I definitely had some symptoms which could have been called dyslexia. I think in my case, it was mild enough, and I was smart enough, that it never really stood out and got noticed by my teachers. One of my best skills is the ability to want to be something, and then pretend that I am to the point I actually become it. A bit like that show "The Pretender", only not nearly so dramatic. I think this let me obscure a lot of things like that instead of drawing attention to them and getting them fixed.

If you want info on Celiac Sprue Disease, and how glutens may have a relationship to autism and other learn disabilities. I believe there is info on http://www.csaceliacs.org/ Try there, and if you don't find what you're looking for, I'll do some searching for you.

Remember that all things have some weakness to them, that for every trait that is good, there is a bad side to it. Conversely, for every bad trait, there is a good counterpart. I think for the most part that this is true. Ukemi demonstrates this I think. For each move you do that benefits you, there's an action that occurs to the uke which does not benefit them. Conversely, when you do your throw, the uke is learning your moves, and learning how to blend with them. The uke learns intimately exactly what the moves they are learning to do to others are actually doing. The uke, in a real street fight, would generally be the guy who loses, in simple terms, but by losing, you learn, and losing in controlled environments actually teaches you a great deal. Similarly, ukemi in your daily life can teach you a lot. Jim Carrey, who I am sure you have heard of, used to go out on stage and try the craziest stuff he could think of, regardless of if he knew it would work or not. As a result of going out, and sometimes getting boo'd off stage, he learned to be able to push things as far as he does and still succeed. For you, perhaps your disadvantages will force you to look at things in a more careful way than most people would.

A good example would be me, my ability to read people's emotions, and make small talk are REALLY bad. A lot of people just intuitively gain this sort of knowledge, and it just becomes a part of how they interact. I, on the other hand, have to study people in a bar, or some other public place, and really learn from that experience. My disadvantage of not being able to do what they do intuitively has forced me to learn to study and emulate it logically. It means that while they do it more naturally, I understand the process a lot better consciously than they do, or at least I will once I get better at it. I am still young, I have a good distance to go.

If your teachers underestimate you, let that be your ukemi(so to speak). Learn to find a positive in being overlooked, and exploit it. Then, when you want to break out of your position, you will be operating from a position of strength, not one of weakness.

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Old 10-17-2002, 02:50 AM   #5
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Hi Evie,

welcome on Aikiweb.

Please dont let your dyslexia stop you from posting and participating in the forum. At least you are trying to make sense, which is more than can be said for some others here on the forum

Feeling ignored and unappreciated for something you do of course kind of sucks. I dont know if this has to do with starting as a kid or not. I found that quite often people have little prejudges that they are unaware of that can set peoples minds about things. (My girlfriend, little over 5 feet and 27 years old, also trains aikido for about the same time as me but she is never asked for advice because a lot of people think she is a little girl. On the other hand people consider me to be one of the sempai and a important source of information. Go figure!

An other thing that might be happenning is a kind of herdmentality: somebody started by saying this other person did the kidsclasses and the others just took this over.

Maybe it is wise to speak about this with sensei.

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Old 10-17-2002, 05:33 AM   #6
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wow thankyou I wasnot expecting that at all. thankyou. to anser sone questons. I dont have add or aney of the others. I have no problem consterating at all I can vearey easley sit and work on 1 thing for maney howears at a time. I often lous track if time wean i dow that thow. Pepeaill with deslaxa ushealey have 1 or 2 things that they excall at mayn is art. I have graruated from art school and did vearey weall.

with aikido I ame vearey smaill and maney of the kids are biger than me at least the older ones. may partner with the kids class has spocken to may sensay. I think alout of it may be becos theay have seen me grow up from a kid to now and ame alout like a part of thear famley. that theay may have a hared time seining me as older or not wonting to see me as older. I care for may techer vearey mouch he is quiet like a dad. but I still dont now how to get him to see me as beng older and not a kide. I have tote claseas botk kids and adaltsand sit and tock about him about the class went and wear pepeaill nead to improve all that stuf. but i ame still just a kide lol. mabe in the fouter wean i ame teching may own classis he will se me as an adalt.

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Old 10-17-2002, 06:18 AM   #7
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Hi Evie!

welcome to Aikiweb, good to see that your not letting dyslexia stopping you posting people dont read posts thoroughly enough anyways so most of the time it all comes out as gobbledigook so dont be to woried about posting something we wont understand lots of people on this forum have trained their minds to read complete nonsense...

Personaly i have a problem with numbers they just make no sense and i cant add to save my life apparently i have an association problem, i can however calculate binary as of course there are 10 types of ppl around those that read binary and those that dont.

Dunno it just makes sense. i am D.A.R.Y.L

hehe

nice to see you on here.

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Old 10-17-2002, 06:41 AM   #8
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OT : DARYL

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Dunno it just makes sense. i am D.A.R.Y.L
Data Analysing Robot Young Lifeform?

Boy, did that movie suck. My granny liked it though

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Old 10-17-2002, 07:37 AM   #9
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Glade that you decided to post Evie. Sense you have the guts to post, I will post too.

I have only been studying Aikido for about a month now at the same dojo as Evie. I am very new to the MA world and the only other experience that I have had was a year of wrestling in grade nine.

Even though it has been a very short time it is obvious that Evie, you are a very talented Aikidoka and I have the utmost respect of you abilities. I have learned a lot being you partner, as nage and as uke. I think the problem that you are having may stem a little of how old you look. I may be difficult for some of the others see you in a more mature light, though I have not been around long enough to say either way.

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Old 10-17-2002, 09:05 AM   #10
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Hi Evie, hi Nathan! Glad you two finally decided to post here. Evie your spelling may be off but I didn't have any problems reading your post. And didn't I tell you the people here are friendly/! Evie I agree with Nathan that you're really good at aikido, and you're also a good teacher . I mean you got me to do a couple of front rolls properly! I had noticed that sensei never seems to mention you as a teacher of the kid's class any more, I was beginning to wonder if you did still teach them. I think you're too quiet, if you get as loud as Charles, sensei will probably remember to mention you!

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Old 10-17-2002, 09:09 AM   #11
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With that small voice of hers I don't think that she could ever get as load as Charles. :P

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Old 10-17-2002, 09:14 AM   #12
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I "had" a learning disability. I was an auditory learning. Teacher said "sound it out" and I did. Can't even spell phonetic, phonetically. Go figure. Finally learned how to create a visual memory.

Glad you didn't let you disability stop you from particpating on the mat and now here on the web.

Perhaps, you are a bit shy and easily over looked. Sorry for that, I too was the invisible child because people didn't know what to do with me and that (not me) made them uncomfortable. Don't take it personally. Talk to Sensei. Enter and blend, Stnad up and stand out and take the center, don't let them take your center and keep you off balance.

Again, deepest compliments and appreciation.

Until again,

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Old 10-17-2002, 09:29 AM   #13
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With that small voice of hers I don't think that she could ever get as load as Charles. :P

Nathan
Probably not, perhaps if she had at least half his volume though? Umm, Charles doesn't read aikiweb does he ? By the way Nathan I meant to ask you this last night, why 'Wormwood'?

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Old 10-17-2002, 10:16 AM   #14
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The reasons for picking Wormwood as a nick:

1) It's the name of the lesser demon in the ScrewTape Letters by CS Lewis

2)
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Revelation 8:10,11

And the third angel sounded, and there fell from heaven a great star, burning as a torch, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of the waters;

and the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.
3) The stuff that makes the 'Green Fairy' unique.

4) I just thought that it was a cool and unique in a twisted sort of way.

Some times when Wormwood is already taken in a forum I will use Wyrmwood, sometimes Wormwood13 (13 being my lucky #).

I know that I am a freak, but what can one do.

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Old 10-17-2002, 10:25 AM   #15
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Okay Nathan, reason number 2 has me worried, does it mean that you want to cause the deaths of many men? Glad I'm female

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I know that I am a freak, but what can one do.

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Well we can try using nikkyo to reform you!

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Old 10-17-2002, 10:30 AM   #16
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I wouldn't want to treat women any differently than men.

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Old 10-17-2002, 10:34 AM   #17
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Gee, thanks Nathan.

My apologies Evie for hijacking your thread. To get back on topic, I doubt the kids ever forget what a wonderful teacher you are, but you should mention to sensei how you feel.

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Old 10-17-2002, 10:35 AM   #18
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I'm not totally sure how it specifically affects your Aikido practice.
Well, to start i am Add also. so i can't really spend too much time on one topic. (now what was i talking about ) and that gets bad during mosogie (i spelled wronge) and stuff like that.

but phylscally it effectes me such as,

When i am typing i want to hit, lets say the "e" key. my mind says "left hand, middle finger". that is not always what my body says. half the time it dose "right hand, middle finger" so i get funny words with "e" and "i" intnersperced with each other.

that also hapens on the mat. with feet, hands, and things. so i dont always do the correct throw, but i alwasy do a throw.

And somtimes it is so bad i do the same thing (wrong) 3 or 4 times in a row.

ekU ruoY (sorry couldent help myself )

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P.S. just so people know, i normally put this throught a spell check, but i decided not to in this thread.

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Old 10-17-2002, 07:53 PM   #19
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My apologies Evie for hijacking your thread. To get back on topic, I doubt the kids ever forget what a wonderful teacher you are, but you should mention to sensei how you feel.

not a problem Kat I have rathear engoyed reding theam. Theay have beng making me laff.

and mabey I shoued interdouce Charley to this he he.

thanke wearmwoude and kat I know you both and maney others at the dojo dont overlook me thats way i engoy working with you as mouch i i dow.

I have becom moutch louder than I youstto be at the begining i was so scared to even make a souned. but now I think you bouth can agree that i cane make quite alout of noyse wen i wont to or at least be a bug.

ant thanks agen everaywon I mae not as woreyed about how pepeaill will tack me now. I feaill mouch beter about that. its always good to now that thear is others hear with disabeltys and understand wear i ame comeng frome

I have spoken with Charley fareley ragerley about the kids class sins he is may partnear in it. He has toled me that he has spoken to Sensay about it a fouwtimes but maby all 3 of us shoued tockabout it. I now Sensay isnot dowing it on perpus but he shoued still now about it and how it maks me feaill.

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Old 10-17-2002, 08:28 PM   #20
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Hi Evie, I'm Greg Jennings. Just wanted to say "Welcome". Totally beautiful name, BTW.

Hi Kat! Are you dying to visit your relatives in the sunny South yet?

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Old 10-17-2002, 09:24 PM   #21
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Ben,

I have found some luck disassociating my actions from words. It's VERY hard to do, but if you sit in Seiza and try to think in feelings, impulses, etc., and force yourself to use no words in your mind, it can lead to a better functioning intuitively. People that are labelled ADD can be a variety of things, but those with the symptoms which probably relate more closely to autism are dealing with some serious obstacles, often because their method of thinking is so unconventional. Language is a convention, language is something defined by the world around you, abandoning it and focusing on your own internal language is a great exercise. I know this has helped me immensely with a lot of things, both in terms of focusing, and in terms of understanding what I'm thinking about something. It fosters an internal honesty which helps with that "every day ukemi" that I was talking about before...

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Old 10-17-2002, 10:27 PM   #22
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Evie,

I'm with Greg....I think that's the cutest name on God's green Earth.

Dangus: what did you say that problem with small talk and reading people's emotions stemmed from exactly? I suffer from that in the worst way. Maybe I'm just socially inept. I don't have any problems with reading or writing and those are of the things I do best actually. What you said about thinking without words is something I've experienced first hand.

Evie I want you to know that I have an IQ of somewhere above 160, but a lot of people think that I'm not all there because of these problems. Despite that though, all of the people here on this site make me feel great to be a part of crew. They're good people as we say in the south. If anybody with any kind of disability ever needs anyone to lean on or just gripe too, just send me an email. I could always use another friend.

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Old 10-18-2002, 07:38 AM   #23
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Hi Kat! Are you dying to visit your relatives in the sunny South yet?

Best Regards,
I am withering away as I write this

My parents are down there right now and I called down to talk to them and then spoke to my Aunt and she said it was cold there as it was only 63 degrees! That's not cold! It's been 4 degrees celcius here, before too long it's going to be 30 below.

Well enough whining about it for now I guess. I am planning on going down next year Greg, so be prepared for a small, talkative person invading your dojo!

By the way how's the training going with your dog?

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Old 10-18-2002, 07:54 AM   #24
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and mabey I shoued interdouce Charley to this he he.
Aaagh! NO no, don't do that!
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I have becom moutch louder than I youstto be at the begining i was so scared to even make a souned. but now I think you bouth can agree that i cane make quite alout of noyse wen i wont to or at least be a bug.
Well, you can make some noise but you're still nowhere near Charles's range. Maybe if we kiai more often in class
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I have spoken with Charley fareley ragerley about the kids class sins he is may partnear in it. He has toled me that he has spoken to Sensay about it a fouwtimes but maby all 3 of us shoued tockabout it. I now Sensay isnot dowing it on perpus but he shoued still now about it and how it maks me feaill.
Good idea Evie.

(Perhaps Nathan and I can be your back up vocals,you know, add some extra volume, make sure that you're heard).

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Old 10-18-2002, 09:46 AM   #25
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Dangus: what did you say that problem with small talk and reading people's emotions stemmed from exactly? I suffer from that in the worst way. Maybe I'm just socially inept. I don't have any problems with reading or writing and those are of the things I do best actually. What you said about thinking without words is something I've experienced first hand.
I'm going to use some gross over-simplifcations of smart and average here, but it'll make typing this up easier.

Part of the problem that a lot of intelligent people have is that they are geared up to intellectualize everything, but have that intellectual thinking tied tightly around their intuition. Most people, in a bar, or some other public venue, sit around and talk to each other about intuitive things. How they feel, who they know, who they like. More intelligent people discuss things more, or discuss people in a more object-like manner. Very smart people talk technology and whatnot, whilst average people tend to talk social things. The problem happens where the very smart tend to lack either experience, or interest, in communicating the way more average people do. As a result, they tend to regard their own topics as being intuitive, or deep, whereas the average person regards their topic as intuitive and deep. As a result, the differences must be looked at objectively, and totally intellectualized before you can really start to bridge the intuitive gap. You have to step back, so to speak, and analyze what you are not, and what they are not, and learn to work across that. Then, you have to experiment, no way around that part really.

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