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Old 10-09-2002, 02:59 AM   #1
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Ki Symbol After an injury

Hi all,
i have been doing aikido for just over 11 years now and i dislocated my shoulder about 6weeks ago and i thought i would start it again, but i am now worried about doing aikido again but may be creating more damage to it if i do.
what should i do??
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Old 10-09-2002, 03:15 AM   #2
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I'm actually in a similar situation. I recently came back on the mat after 4 months off the mat with injury. It was also my shoulder.. although dislocation was one of the few things that didnt happen to it.

Luckily for me i have an understanding sensei and training partners, I am also lucky in that I am an instructor myself, and 3 months into my injury I was able to come back onto the mat to teach and get myself slowly back into it.

I dont know what level you are at and which level you are used to taking ukemi at, but that is going to be the main problem.

I suggest, going back on the mat and making it known that you are not comfortable with certain ukemi. Deal with things the best you can, do ukemi that feels comfortable, avoid techniques that put your shoulder at risk.

Most of all be careful and look after your body.

The hardest part for me was getting confidence back in my shoulder so I knew I was able to take real ukemi. My instructor soon cured me of that one.

Good luck with your training.

Enjoy it and stay safe

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Old 10-09-2002, 03:19 AM   #3
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oh yeah.... and seek medical advice

hehehe

maybe, working out at the gym to build the muscle around it to support it could help too before going back on the mat


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Old 10-09-2002, 05:42 AM   #4
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Good luck with your return. I know at our dojo, if someone has a bad wrist or something, we roll up the sleeve or lightly tape it as a flag - that way partners have a visible reminder which side is injured.

I don't know what your injury was specifically, but you might also want to condiser taking glucosamine/chondroitin/MSM to speed the joint recovery process - I take it for my knees and wrists, and the difference is noticeable.

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Old 10-09-2002, 08:27 AM   #5
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Well, if you went through physical therapy which transitioned into a resistance training routine appropriately designed to make your shoulder stronger and more functional than before, then you should have no problems. If you did none of this, and just waited around for six weeks hoping it would get better and stronger on its own, then I'd say you wasted a few weeks. I've had injuries in the past, and I've done it both ways. The best way is to be make sure that your shoulder is stronger and more stable than it was before you resume training. Even better would be to take the incident as an object lesson and resolve to dedicate a good portion of time and energy to making your body strong and injury resistant from now on.
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Old 10-09-2002, 12:29 PM   #6
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I too have dislocated my shoulder and torn the rotator cuff. Physical therapy exercises help a lot. So does watching my form. Work back slowly, but work back.

Until again,

Lynn

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We do not rise to the level of our expectations, but fall to the level of our training. Train well. KWATZ!
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Old 10-11-2002, 11:33 AM   #7
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I think we should be a sticky note that says "Danger: Under Construction!"

Seriously though, do the rehabilitation, eat right, get the proper amout of rest, and stay within safe limits. It is absolutely no fun to watch the class having fun because you have aggravated an injury.

Maybe it is because the bulk of our membership is over forty having tried other martial arts, and having been injured by one type of injury or another, we try to look out for each other before we overdo a joint lock or a break fall.

Everyone says you can train at any level for Aikido, but your body is gonna revolt from hard practice that is done too hard or too soon. Do the rehab, work up to strengthing the damaged area with high repetitions and light weights ... don't go crazy wanting to get back to the level you stopped at.

Use the injury to train in other ways, study, learn, take notes, reflect on where you were, where you are in practice level, and how to make it better.

You might find that not training with a partner on the mat does indeed make you a better partner when you return to full strength.

Hang in there, make the best use of recovery time.
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Old 10-11-2002, 07:51 PM   #8
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I am mostly self-taught, and I have learned a few things the hard way. When I began stretching, I at least was smart enough to do it gradually, a bit more each day until I'm not able to kick above my head repeatedly without pulling anything. Still, on occasion, particularly when practicing jumping, I do strain something. Practice ceases immediately at that point, and I do try to stretch it out a little bit if possible, go take a break, see if there's complete recovery, and if not I lay off for a bit. My best results have come from working through the injury by slowly progressively increasing how much it's expected to put up with, just like with stretching. A minor injury can spread if aggravated, and a major one can become critical. Tease the limits of your injury, but don't push them.

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares plow for those who keep their's" -Ben Franklin
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Old 10-12-2002, 12:29 AM   #9
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how about ankle injuries? I injured my ankle a few mths back and it hasnt fully recovered.How the heck would i go about resistance trainin on it?
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Old 10-12-2002, 02:11 AM   #10
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How to go about rehabilitating an ankle injury depends upon what is damaged - bone, ligament, tendon...? and whether it was caused by an unusual trauma, or a result of chronic instability or weakness. Getting an injured joint from a painful, low-capacity place to a place where it's ready for preventative conditioning is the job of a physical therapist who has experience with athletes. If you don't have any concrete rehabilitation plan or exercises to do, I suggest finding one.

In general, the stability of the ankle is intimately related to the strength and stability of the leg and hip. Properly done resistance training with free weights and body weight strengthens all the structures stressed by the exercise - muscle, tendon, ligament, energy supply, etc... As such the foundational exercises for a strong ankle are squats, deadlifts, lunges, calf raises... even exercises like the overhead press require stabilizing and balancing the body under added stress. More advanced stability training might involve more intense, dynamic exercises like jumping and hopping (plyometrics) - another great one is getting together with others and tossing a ball around while standing on one foot.

I have very injury-resistant ankles. Sometimes I even land on a rock or edge of something while running and one will twist or buckle with no ill effect whatsoever. I don't do any kind of specific ankle stability work, yet injury resistance is a primary goal in my training. Luckily, the human body is a well-integrated machine, and good general exercises have a broad range of benefits. I do squats, deadlifts, one leg calf raises, jump rope intervals, running, and yoga asanas. So far, this has done well for me.

Kevin Wilbanks, CSCS

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